Will beinteresting to see Julian Cash in action when he finishes college. Seemingly doing well but I don't know anything about him?!
he had a pretty solid junior career (got to 68 in the rankings, made Wimbledon 2R, Grade 1 QF, Grade 2 RU), - all despite barely playing in his final season. Don't see why he can't make a decent fist of the pros if he's kicked on at college
O thanks for the enormous amount of effort you put into the US College thread, just s suggestion and I know it involves a little bit more work (probably not much for you given your understanding of the conference structure) but do you think it would be worthwhile listing the players at div 1 colleges by conference. It would give quite a lot of useful information as to the level and as to potential all British clashes.
The most useful would be the level as within all Div 1 NCAA sport there is such a massive difference between conferences. The SEC, PAC 12 and Big 12 standout with the ACC not far behind. Top players in those conferences who dominate realistically have a shot at going pro, there aren't many that fall into this category but there is an increasing trend for some of our very good juniors particularly on the girls side to go. i.e. those in two minds.
Just a thought, it would be consistent with the way in which college sport is reported in the US.
Vandy have two strong signings there. Emily has the potential to be a college standout but what is exciting for her is the quality of the other freshman, Amanda Mayer beat Fran Jones in a grade 1 final at the end of Jan.
O thanks for the enormous amount of effort you put into the US College thread, just s suggestion and I know it involves a little bit more work (probably not much for you given your understanding of the conference structure) but do you think it would be worthwhile listing the players at div 1 colleges by conference. It would give quite a lot of useful information as to the level and as to potential all British clashes.
The most useful would be the level as within all Div 1 NCAA sport there is such a massive difference between conferences. The SEC, PAC 12 and Big 12 standout with the ACC not far behind. Top players in those conferences who dominate realistically have a shot at going pro, there aren't many that fall into this category but there is an increasing trend for some of our very good juniors particularly on the girls side to go. i.e. those in two minds.
Just a thought, it would be consistent with the way in which college sport is reported in the US.
I've added an extra section at the beginning of the thread tacked onto the list of men presently at college. It lists them by conference. Didn't take too long but no time at the moment to do the women. If you disagree with my assessment of the strong conferences outside of the Power 5, please post your thoughts and I'll adjust the categories.
An interesting exercise, Optimist, and many thanks indeed.
For those like me, who aren't necessarily familiar with conferences, I've just added below the universities in those that Optimist listed as strong, together with current rankings (quick survey - may have missed some). There are a few places where universities showed up twice ... some were different branches, but I'm not quite sure on the University of South Carolina, so have it in twice. For what it's worth, just after I did this, I discovered the ITA press release, which (sigh) lists the top 25 by conference and notes that the Big Ten and SEC have five top 25 teams each; the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 have four each; the Ivy League has 2, and the American conference has one. They also list the top 25 singles and doubles, also by conference: one notable thing is that Jack Findel Hawkins and his partner are ranked 3rd despite being in what seems to be a relatively weak conference.
American Athletic: the University of Central Florida (48), the University of Cincinnati, East Carolina University, the University of Connecticut, the University of Houston, the University of Memphis (44), the U.S. Naval Academy (in football only), the University of South Florida (39), Southern Methodist University (29), Temple University, Tulane University (22) and the University of Tulsa (41)
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech (14), NC State (38), Virginia (1), Clemson (43), Louisville, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Duke (36), Miami, Pitt, Wake Forest (3), Florida State (37), North Carolina (4), Syracuse
Big 12: Baylor (11), Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma (5), Oklahoma State (8), TCU, Texas (7), Texas Tech, West Virginia
Big 10: Illinois (19), Indiana (45), Iowa, Maryland, Michigan (9), Michigan State, Minnesota (25), Nebraska, Northwestern (13), Ohio State (2), Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Wisconsin (31)
Conference USA: University of Alabama at Birmingham, Florida Atlantic University, Florida International University, Louisiana Tech University, Marshall University, Middle Tennessee State University, University of North Carolina at Charlotte, University of North Texas, Old Dominion University (26), Rice University (46), University of Southern Mississippi, University of Texas at El Paso, University of Texas at San Antonio, Western Kentucky University, University of New Mexico, University of South Carolina? (16)
Ivy League: Brown, Columbia (18), Cornell (24), Dartmouth, Harvard, University of Pennsylvania, Princeton, Yale
PAC 12: University of Arizona, Arizona State University, University of California (6), UCLA (15), University of Colorado - Boulder, University of Oregon (23), Oregon State University, University of Southern California (12), Stanford University (35), University of Utah, University of Washington (32), Washington State University
Southeastern (SEC): University of Alabama (50), University of Arkansas (47), Auburn, Univ of Florida, University of Georgia (17), University of Kentucky (21), Louisiana State University, University of Mississippi, Mississippi State University (20), University of Missouri, University of South Carolina (16), University of Tennessee (34), Texas A & M University, Vanderbilt University (27)
-- Edited by Spectator on Saturday 25th of February 2017 06:06:14 AM
-- Edited by Spectator on Saturday 25th of February 2017 06:07:35 AM
Ahh...American college sport is designed to baffle! The groupings of universities above reflect the women's conference structure which is not necessarily the same as the men (presumably because some universities only have men's tennis teams and some only women's)
American Athletic
Central Florida (48), Connecticut, East Carolina, Memphis (44), Southern Methodist (29), South Florida (39), Temple, Tulane (22), Tulsa (41)
ACC
As you have it minus Syracuse and Pitt
Big 12
As you have it but no Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas or West Virginia
Big 10
As you have it but no Maryland or Rutgers
Conference USA
North Carolina-Charlotte, Florida Atlantic. Middle State Tennessee, Old Dominion (26), Rice (46), Southern Mississippi, Alabama-Birmingham, Texas-El Paso
Ivy as is
PAC 12
As you have it minus Colorado, Oregon State, Washington State
SEC - As you have it but no Missouri
Probably clearer for everyone if you maybe make the amendments to your original post. But thanks for setting it out in the first place, helpful as you say for those who don't know the structure at all.
Thank you for this, Optimist. Can I just ask: am I correct in thinking that the universities listed for the conferences are correct - you're simply noting that not all of them have men's tennis teams? If so, what I may do is just put those without tennis teams in italics ... to avoid further confusion if someone asks why university x isn't listed.
-- Edited by Spectator on Saturday 25th of February 2017 12:28:26 PM
Err..yes....I suppose you could!! However, neither men nor women Conference USA include S Carolina, and neither gender in the PAC12 include Oregon State
South Carolina was the one that confused me mightily - thanks for clearing that up. Oregon State is, however, part of the PAC12 - I went to the conference websites to pick up universities, and they are there (and were, for example, wrestling champions for the conference last year) - maybe they just don't play tennis. Or maybe, like one of the other examples, only for certain sports? All very confusing.
I agree an enormous amount of information to sift initially. I don't thing the structure of American College sport was designed at all! More a question of evolution through compromise, and an annual process of realignment through wooing of institutions by conferences to create regional/super regional match ups that draw massive television audiences for football
It is amazing but true that Oregan State, a serious football school do not have tennis teams of either sex. The South Carolina Game****s are also a big time football school in the SEC and field both male and female teams including Brigit Folland (Megan Davies on her way!) and Paul Jubb.
College tennis does appear really confusing because there are so many Division 1 teams but most of the quality is as you say distilled into the power conferences. Unsurprisingly our better college players feature in theses conferences and it is nice that this is now clear at the beginning of the thread. There is an enormous amount of information in the thread and I think increasing awareness of the power conferences will help us understand some of the past successes and relationships institutions have to facilitate transition.
Players with aspirations of main tour tennis need to put themselves in the type of environment that Cam has at TCU, he is probably the first British highly ranked ITF junior to have gone to college specifically to put himself in a position to transition to the main tour which realistically involves getting in and around the top 10 nationally as a freshman with easy access to futures tournaments locally initially and later the opportunity for wild cards for challengers.
Increasingly we will see more of our better juniors going and overtime I thing we will better understand that some colleges are bettter positioned than others to do this, i.e. they host Futures, Challengers or better! For example I can clear see how Emily Ab at Stanford and Jack and Ben (at Cal) can get to a level where opportunities for testing themselves at futures, challenger even WTA level may be afforded to them through wild cards to local events, e.g. Emily may get opportunities at Stockton possible at the WTA Bank of the West.
In contrast I don't see at the moment where the opportunities for Emily Ap would present themselves through Vandy. I'm sure they exist and look forward to finding out! Similarly at Old Dominion, as a growing programme in C-USA I don't think it is an issue they have faced before but is something hopefully they are going to have to work out.
Interesting times. Very interesting thread thank you.
O no I don't think so, you have got it spot on, the ITA press release as reported by Spectator correlates nicely with the SEC and Big 12 having 5 top 25 teams, and the 4 other power conferences having 4 each.
As of 20th Feb
1 Virginia 1. ACC 2 0hio State 4 Big 10 3 Wake Forest 8 ACC 4. North Carolina. 5. ACC 5. Oaklahoma. 6. Big 12 6. California. 9. PAC 12 7. Texas 16. Big 12 8. Oaklahoma St 13. Big 12 9. Michigan. 9. Big 10 10. Florida. 10. SEC 11. Baylor. 32. Big 12 12. USC. 12. PAC 12 13. Northwestern. 15. Big 10 14. Georgia Tech ACC 15. UCLA. 2. PAC 12 16. South Carolina SEC 17. Georgia 7. SEC 18 Columbia 28. Ivy League 19 Illinois 18. Big 10 20. Mississippi St. 19. SEC 21. Kentucky 23. SEC 22. Tulane American Athletic 23. Oregan. PAC 12 24. Cornell. Ivy League 25. Minnesota. Big 10
-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 26th of February 2017 09:14:40 PM