Weeks 35 & 36 - US Open

Spectator · All-time great

Weeks 35 & 36 - US Open

Jeff Stelling · Club Coach

Topemp wrote:
Tough draws. With a 1 in 4 chance of drawing a seed, 2 out of 3 drawing seeds is really tough.

Will be great run out for Kyle but Gasquet is a supreme talent, and is getting stronger it would seem.

Evo can't complain, though there was criticism of Ram getting a WC so he will be right up for this and he's tough to break but would hope Evo could come thru that.

Rosol dangerous but expect it will be useful run out for Andy.

Flawed maths there my friend

angry1 · Lower Club Player

Well tell them where they went wrong then.

Is it 1 in 3 chance of each non-seed drawing a seed? 96 slots, 32 of them against seeds?

philwrig · Hall of fame

Kyle's got to go in with a positive mindset, if he can bring his DC form, it's possible. Great draw for Evo, and Andy's isn't too bad either.

wales1994 · County player

Speaking of Willis... why hasn't he played since Wimbledon?

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

wales1994 wrote:
Speaking of Willis... why hasn't he played since Wimbledon?

The initial problem was injury.

Then he played some lucrative World Team Tennis matches. I heard he is down for a challenger in a couple of weeks.

the addict · Tennis legend

Disagree with the maths. When the qualifying slots were filled, there were 3 slots against seeds out of the 16 vacant, so the odds on drawing a seed were roughly 1:5

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

But we're talking about the GB men - they weren't qualifiers, they were MD direct entrants, so it was their odds of drawing a seed, in the original draw, given there were 32 already placed who couldn't, by definition, draw a seed.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes it's 1 in 3.

The qualifier slots ( I am certainly assuming ) were not drawn out prior to the general main draw. So at draw time each of our non seeded players could have taken up one of the 32 slots against seeds out of the 96 available to them.

So bit unlucky for 2 out of 3 to draw seeds but no more than that with such small numbers and fairly big chances.

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 27th of August 2016 02:14:00 PM

Topemp · Strong Club Player

indiana wrote:
Yes it's 1 in 3.

The qualifier slots ( I am certainly assuming ) were not drawn out prior to the general main draw. So at draw time each of our non seeded players could have taken up one of the 32 slots against seeds out of the 96 available to them.

So bit unlucky for 2 out of 3 to draw seeds but no more than that with such small numbers and fairly big chances.

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 27th of August 2016 02:14:00 PM

True, my Maths was slightly out. But... chances of drawing a Top 16 seed was only 1 in 6 chance, we got 2/3- even worse!

theemptyvessel · Club Coach

Nobody commenting on Aljaz? Guess we are all thinking it's a foregone conclusion, particularly on the current form of both players. I am going to think positive and hope Ali finds the form that saw him beat Lopez, Simon and Karlovic whilst praying that Kyrgios decides that the line judge is looking at him funny and has one of his petulant meltdowns.

thejester · Satellite level

I expect if Andy has rested well he won't have too many problems against Rosol, or in the early rounds full stop. Likewise I like Evo's draw providing he's not having an off day himself. Zverev would be a tough R2 but hasn't done much at slam level as yet. Hard to see success for Kyle and Ali, though as above if Kygrios has a melt-down you never know, and whilst I'd expect Gasquet to have too much quality for Kyle he has nothing to lose so hopefully he can hit freely and make an impression.

indiana · Tennis legend

Kyle vs Gasquet is due to kick off proceedings on Court 5 at 11 am local, 4 pm BST

( The only other Brit scheduled for day one is Jo, fourth on Grandstand ).

Rustie · Junior player

Without wanting to be a Debbie Downer, Edmund's record against Top 50 players is something like 2-15 and he lost in straight sets to Mannarino and Isner (without even a tie breaker) in his last two slams so if he can take a set or two against Gasquet then I'd see that as progress.

Really hope Evans wins but Ram is a real spoiler.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Kyles growth has been incremental, he has consistently been the 4th or 5 th player at his age or younger in the world, others have moved around him, but his position has remained rock solid has he has got older. To progress in such a way he generally dominates a cohort and then steps up. ie futures, challengers... Implicitly he won't play top 50 players very often 15, mostly as wild cards or in DC so when completely miss matched, and playing at a lower level, so the historical record does really hold too much weight in a player in development showing continual progression.

Now really he is at ATP 250 level, where you are still talking 3 set tennis with perhaps only one or two top seeds at Gasquet's level. Could he go deep or even win a 250 with the right draw or on the right surface? Undoubtedly .

5 set tennis is a different beast, giving quality players much more chance to steady the ship and recover after a rocky start, work ones opponent out and grind them down with consistency of play, stepping it up only in the clutch. Kyle has had some great performance over 5 sets in DC winning and loosing (on clay). Yes he could take out a seed and open up a pocket in the draw for a decent run but most likely a deep run at slams at the moment will be around a decent draw and picking someone else's pocket.

Given this pattern of development he has a punchers chance against Gasquet but agree expectations should be tempered particularly as hard fast courts don't necessarily give him chance to wind up the fear hand optimally. Kyles commitment and focus on DC tennis will I think suppress his ranking this year, which is fine, he may well even be 10-15 places adrift of Evo. He is close to dominating the cohort that play mostly ATP main tour and are direct entrants to GS but drop down to challengers for the odd points top up (100-50 group) and now needs regular exposure to the next tier, Gasquet being the pinnacle.

When compared to his contemporaries he is right on track.