Weeks 35 & 36 - US Open

Jan · Hall of fame

RE: Weeks 35 & 36 - US Open

paulisi · Tennis legend

Evo is still a relative novice in doubles. I saw him play at Manchester challenger and he was bemoaning to himself with comments like - it's a totally different game, leave it to the experts etc

RJA · Hall of fame

Well I think it is safe to say that the first 4 days of the US Open have been quite satisfactory.

I am not remotely surprised that Evo beat Zverev and was shocked that bookies had the latter as such clear favourite. Zverev is a great ball striker when the ball is in his comfort zone and anybody who tries to trade power for power with him are likely to come unstuck but I always thought that Evo's variety and court craft would nullify Zverev's weapons and equally importantly get into his head. Even for a 19 year old Zverev is exceptionally immature on court and Evo is quite adept at needling opponents like opponents like that.

Obviously both Kyle and Dan face very difficulty R3 matches but if they can produce their best both will have a shot. Hopefully Evo v Wawrinka will be on Arthur Ashe.

Smudge226 · Strong Club Player

Awesome... Just enjoying the moment...

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, Evo's way of playing and attitude ( and the fact that he has become such a ruddy good player ) always had potential against an often immature Zverev with still limited biggest stage experience. Asking the ball boys to sweep up tiny fragments of Zverev's smashed racquet was classic !

Great performance and result but I agree not the hugest shock.

-- Edited by indiana on Friday 2nd of September 2016 12:24:59 PM

Topemp · Strong Club Player

Bob in Spain wrote:
Kyle at 64 in the live rankings looks pretty safe on that number. There are only three players below him that are still in the tournament. The two closest to him, Ryan Harrison and Jared Donaldson would both have to win two more rounds to catch him. Harrison would have to beat Baghdatis and then probably Monfils, while Donaldson would have to beat Karlovic and probably Nishikori. For me, the biggest threat though comes from Del Potro. He is much further behind, but as we know, he is capable of going deep into the tournament,

As for Evo, who is now at 52 in the live rankings, two of the three immediately below him prior to their R2 matches won as well. Chardy lost so is out of the picture. but Youzhny and Marchenlo still pose a threat and could overtake with just one more win. Youzhny plays Djokovic though so unless Nole is really injured, I only see one result there. As for Marchenko, he plays Kyrgios so who knows what will happen there. Of course Delpo could upset the apple cart as well with a SF appearance.

On the plus side, a win for Dan should see him into the Top 50 for the first time, although only just. The additional 90 points would have him at 49, with the same threats above still relevant. A victory for Kyle over Isner, would boost him about another 10 places to 54.

Whatever happens, it's exciting times for Brits at this level. Long may it continue.

And as an after thought, Kyle and Evo are giving Leon plenty to ponder, don't you think ?

Further to this: Dan will be on 850 points after his 90 go on, and his 15 for Futures Finalist come off. Between now and Aus Open he then has 1 x 80 points (Knoxville CH W); 1 x 27 point futures win and 2 x 7 pointers left. That's a total of 121 points meaning the worst he can possibly be on by Christmas is 731 points (currently WR68).

On current point totals he'll need another 151 points to be in Top 50 at year end and another 610 points to be seeded bY Aus Open.

Kyle will be on 751 after his 90 points go on and his 16pts from last year's US Open come off.. He then has just 1 x 90 points (Buenos Aires CH W) to defend after that ((and has a 10 pointer he isn't using in his Top 18), meaning his worst case scenario is 671 (WR 82) Kyle will need 210 points to be WR50 by Aus Open or 671 more points to be seeded by Aus Open.

-- Edited by Topemp on Friday 2nd of September 2016 04:30:10 PM

Rustie · Junior player

Naturally I would like to think Edmund had a great chance today but I can't help think about that 6-4 6-4 6-4 defeat at Roland Garros.

Surely he will get to a breaker or two today?

-- Edited by Rustie on Friday 2nd of September 2016 12:47:45 PM

theemptyvessel · Club Coach

Rustie wrote:
Naturally I would like to think Edmund had a great chance today but I can't help think about that 6-4 6-4 6-4 defeat at Roland Garros.

Surely he will get to a breaker or two today?

-- Edited by Rustie on Friday 2nd of September 2016 12:47:45 PM

I think so too. The benefits of being a young developing player are that Kyle is already a better player than he was 3 months ago whereas at this stage Isner is who he is.

indiana · Tennis legend

I see that bet365 has Andy and Novak as joint favourites to win the trophy. Can't recall if and when Andy at least matched Novak in the betting in a Slam when both still in and at the same stage. But I think understandable here.

Murray 6/4
Djokovic 6/4
Nadal 10/1
Del Potro 14/1
Cilic 16/1
Wawrinka 20/1
Nishikori 25/1
Monfils 33/1
Kyrgios 40/1

66/1 bar

Edmund 300/1
Evans 500/1

Spectator · All-time great

Hmmm. But Sock just took out Cilic (in straight sets). Pity. I was counting on Cilic to give Djokovic some difficulty. Don't think Sock is quite there yet. But who knows? I wouldn't have thought Querrey was a likely upset candidate either.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Spectator wrote:
Hmmm. But Sock just took out Cilic (in straight sets). Pity. I was counting on Cilic to give Djokovic some difficulty. Don't think Sock is quite there yet. But who knows? I wouldn't have thought Querrey was a likely upset candidate either.

Have to say the given Djokovic's recent form/fitness, I saw Cilic as being a big danger to Andy along with Raonic. Both are now gone.

Edit

Money on Kyle to take out Djokovic in R4 anyway, as long as he can get through Isner.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Friday 2nd of September 2016 07:26:05 PM

the addict · Tennis legend

Sock has the small problem of Tsonga next - and Tsonga could certainly upset Djokovic if he's on form on the day. And I agree about Querrey - I saw Raonic beat him at Wimbledon, and wasn't that impressed.

Spectator · All-time great

Well, Djokovic will certainly be coming in rested, given that Youzhny has retired at 4-2. I suppose one could argue that he's not getting a chance to play himself into the tournament. But he's certainly getting a lot of rest.

AM third on Ashe tomorrow; Dan Evans fourth on Armstrong.

-- Edited by Spectator on Friday 2nd of September 2016 08:38:30 PM

TMH · Futures qualifying

He's into the 4th round having played just 4.5 sets. How absurd.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Spectator wrote:
Well, Djokovic will certainly be coming in rested, given that Youzhny has retired at 4-2. I suppose one could argue that he's not getting a chance to play himself into the tournament. But he's certainly getting a lot of rest.

I'm hoping that Nole will be short of match practice as he didn't play Cincy either and went out in R1 of the Olympics - so his last decent run was way back in Toronto.

Go Kyle or John!

I'm torn between wanting Kyle to win just because he's a Brit, and thinking that Isner's serve may give him a better chance against an out of practice Nole. Hmmm, saying that whilst Kyle's forehand isn't quite the weapon Delpo's is, it's not bad , and it was that weapon that knocked Nole out of the Olympics..