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No, Karlovic is 37, Monaco is 32

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Bob in Spain wrote:
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Terrible draw if it's Karlovic. [...]

I'm not so sure:  he's never beaten Andy in seven attempts going all the way back to the San José final in 2007 (only his second title, if memory serves wink )!  Andy beat him in straight sets in the L32 of the French Open this year & in four at Wimbledon last year.  You have to go all the way back to the Tokyo outdoor tournament in 2012 for a win on a hard court (straight sets).  He's also getting a bit long in the tooth (37)! wink  Anyway, it's looking more likely to be Mónaco, who has an overnight lead of 6-4 5-3* & whom Andy beat by 3 & 2 in the L32 in Rio last week.  The head-to-head there is 4-2 in Andy's favour.  He hasn't beaten Andy since Valencia (L16) in 2010 & he's no spring chicken, either (32)!

Please don't remind me of that.  I had tickets for the QF, SF and Final that year. cry

Sorry, Bob. hmm  That must have been a huge disappointment. 



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Stircrazy wrote:
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Terrible draw if it's Karlovic. [...]

I'm not so sure:  he's never beaten Andy in seven attempts going all the way back to the San José final in 2007 (only his second title, if memory serves wink )!  Andy beat him in straight sets in the L32 of the French Open this year & in four at Wimbledon last year.  You have to go all the way back to the Tokyo outdoor tournament in 2012 for a win on a hard court (straight sets).  He's also getting a bit long in the tooth (37)! wink  Anyway, it's looking more likely to be Mónaco, who has an overnight lead of 6-4 5-3* & whom Andy beat by 3 & 2 in the L32 in Rio last week.  The head-to-head there is 4-2 in Andy's favour.  He hasn't beaten Andy since Valencia (L16) in 2010 & he's no spring chicken, either (32)!

Please don't remind me of that.  I had tickets for the QF, SF and Final that year. cry

Sorry, Bob. hmm  That must have been a huge disappointment. 

Did get to see Andy and Jamie win the doubles that year though.



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I was thinking of a comment that I seem to remember Mr Murray making a while back that he disliked playing Karlovic because you were always under so much pressure on your own service game, knowing that it would be very hard to break back. Not really what you want if you're already tired.

But yes, unless it's Djokovic, Nadal or Federer, there are very few people who are terrible match-ups (from recent years) in terms of wins and losses! He's 1:7 Nishikori, 3:7 Raonic, 2:13 Tsonga; 0-2 Thiem among the top ten: only Wawrinka and Berdych 7:9 and 6:9 are remotely close - and indeed in the top 20, there are seven players (Thiem, Goffin, Kyrgios, RBA, Lopez, Cuevas, and Karlovic) who have never won a match against him.

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I was thinking of a comment that I seem to remember Mr Murray making a while back that he disliked playing Karlovic because you were always under so much pressure on your own service game, knowing that it would be very hard to break back. Not really what you want if you're already tired. 

That makes sense! smile  I'm rarely able to remember comments like that...



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I was thinking of a comment that I seem to remember Mr Murray making a while back that he disliked playing Karlovic because you were always under so much pressure on your own service game, knowing that it would be very hard to break back. Not really what you want if you're already tired. 

 Didn't Andy play him at the FO and use him as return of serve practice before paying Isner? If that's the guy then I think Andy liked the fact that the rallies were short so he didn't get too tired.



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Karlovic is just off the back of winning the ATP 250 in Mexico last week, so definitely on form, although maybe somewhat tired as well.

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I think it's a case of Andy doesn't like playing huge servers for the reasons he's said and also it doesn't help with establishing rythym moving forward, but he is actually very good at it.

If just interested in winning a particular round there is very little to suggest Karlovic is a bad match-up

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L32:  (1) Andy Murray WR 2 vs (PR) Juan Mónaco (ARG) WR 104 (CH = 10 in July 2010)

Mónaco beat Karlo by 4 & 4.  Head-to-head, as noted in my earlier post, is 4-2 in Andy's favour.



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I think it's a case of Andy doesn't like playing huge servers for the reasons he's said and also it doesn't help with establishing rythym moving forward, but he is actually very good at it.

If just interested in winning a particular round there is very little to suggest Karlovic is a bad match-up

Andy eats servebots for breakfast but he much prefers a match where he has to test his wits against another "proper tennis player".



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L32: (1) Andy Murray WR 2 beat (PR) Juan Mónaco (ARG) WR 104 (CH = 10 in July 2010) 6-3 6-2

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Couple of medical timeouts for Andy to receive treatment to his right shoulder, he also looked pretty gassed after the first 5 minutes. I want him to win here and keep up the pressure on Novak but I hope he does not push too hard and jeopardise his chances in New York.

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L16: (1) Andy Murray WR 2 vs Kevin Anderson (RSA) WR 20 (CH = 10 last December)

The head-to-head is 5-2 in Andy's favour.  Anderson most recently beat Andy in four sets (7-6(5) 6-3 6-7(2) 7-6(0)) in the last 16 of last year's USO.  Before that, Andy beat him by 3 & 4 in the final at Queen's & by 6-4 3-6 6-3 in the last 16 of the Miami Masters.  It's not going to be easy.



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Interesting to note that Sugita, who beat Kyle in FQR, has gone on to reach the 3rd round, having beaten both Alex Zverev and Nicolas Mahut. He will play Raonic in the L16.

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R2:  (5) Jean-Julien Rojer & Horia Tecau (NED/ROU) CR 25 (14+11) defeated Dom Inglot & Marcin Matkowski (POL) CR 55 (27+28) by 6-3 4-6 [10-8] cry



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