Week 32 - ITF ($25K) - Landisville, USA Hard

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

RE: Week 32 - ITF ($25K) - Landisville, USA Hard

the addict · Tennis legend

Mervatron wrote:
Most of those weren't a WC but using her protected ranking actually.

I don't think Laura's Wild Cards are excessive. She's had three main draw and one qualifying during the grass season in this country, plus one in Miami. And I certainly don't begrudge her the ones in this country. I think US Open Qualifying right now is a good chance to move on, and if one was going to be awarded after Landisville, then she deserved it above anyone else.

Laura's Wild Cards this year (from ITF player activity)
Main draw
Wimbledon,Nottingham, Eastbourne ITF, Miami
Qualifying
Eastbourne WTA
Everything else was direct entry

Sorry, I misse Charleston which was qualifying

-- Edited by the addict on Wednesday 17th of August 2016 11:14:00 AM

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

Julia Carrot wrote:
I think the commentator at Landisville 'Ken' mentioned something about a 'stand out' player at this tournament being in the running for a USO wildcard. He implied at the time is would be for an American player, and I remember thinking 'how wonderful' if Laura could be offered it and would the fact that she trained regularly in the States help her in that respect. So, I do think the mechanism was already in place for this Tournament to trigger a wild card offer and it wasn't wholly 'peddled from her high powered representation' as you, probably accurately in some respects, suggest.

-- Edited by Julia Carrot on Wednesday 17th of August 2016 10:58:35 AM

No. That is this: https://www.usta.com/Pro-Tennis/Pro-Circuit/2016_us_open_wild_card_challenge_standings/
That is why Sofia Kenin got her WC.

There have been arrangements in the past whereby if you win 'tournament x' you get a WC if needed to 'tournament y' (or if you are the highest placed finisher that hasn't already qualified). I can't find any indication whatsoever that Landisville had this arrangement. It would completely undermine the US Open series WC, above, if it did have.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

I don't have an issue with this as the top ranked player in this tourney was WR 139, and in the USO qualies. As far as I'm concerned Laura has earned this one (well at least mostly

) by her winning the singles and dubs. Even if you took her current ranking, she'd be close.

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

the addict wrote:
Mervatron wrote:
Most of those weren't a WC but using her protected ranking actually.
I don't think Laura's Wild Cards are excessive. She's had three main draw and one qualifying during the grass season in this country, plus one in Miami. And I certainly don't begrudge her the ones in this country. I think US Open Qualifying right now is a good chance to move on, and if one was going to be awarded after Landisville, then she deserved it above anyone else.

Laura's Wild Cards this year (from ITF player activity)
Main draw
Wimbledon,Nottingham, Eastbourne ITF, Miami
Qualifying
Eastbourne WTA
Everything else was direct entry
Sorry, I misse Charleston which was qualifying

-- Edited by the addict on Wednesday 17th of August 2016 11:14:00 AM

5, since April.
For perspective, that is already more WC than, for example {Strycova, Begu, Koukalova, Barthel, Niculescu, Pironkova, Wozniak, Schimedlova, Svitolina} have had in all of their careers, COMBINED, have had.

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

Helen40 wrote:
I don't have an issue with this as the top ranked player in this tourney was WR 139, and in the USO qualies. As far as I'm concerned Laura has earned this one (well at least mostly ) by her winning the singles and dubs. Even if you took her current ranking, she'd be close.

In the same week, 16 year old Vanessa Bianca Andreescu also won both singles and doubles at a North American $25K. Should she have one too, if that is to be the yardstick?

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

AliBlahBlah wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
I don't have an issue with this as the top ranked player in this tourney was WR 139, and in the USO qualies. As far as I'm concerned Laura has earned this one (well at least mostly ) by her winning the singles and dubs. Even if you took her current ranking, she'd be close.
In the same week, 16 year old Vanessa Bianca Andreescu also won both singles and doubles at a North American $25K. Should she have one too, if that is to be the yardstick?

Possibly, but in this tourney the top seed player (that took part) was WR 172, and also Andreescu's WR is currently 419.

I'm not sure what the links are between the States and Canada with WCs are. The Canadians don't seem to get much of a leg up into the USO, and more than the French do into Wimby or the Kiwis into the Aussie. It might not be fair (the whole WC discussion again - and I'm not going there), but I can see why they'd do it for someone who's done well in a US tourney, plus someone with links to the US and who's done well in the the USO in the past.

the addict · Tennis legend

AliBlahBlah wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
I don't have an issue with this as the top ranked player in this tourney was WR 139, and in the USO qualies. As far as I'm concerned Laura has earned this one (well at least mostly ) by her winning the singles and dubs. Even if you took her current ranking, she'd be close.
In the same week, 16 year old Vanessa Bianca Andreescu also won both singles and doubles at a North American $25K. Should she have one too, if that is to be the yardstick?

I take your point, but Andreescu reached a career high of 498 at the beginning of the month, but is now at 626 according to ITF. She has a bit further to go yet to compete at the level of US Open qualies. Maybe next year ?

Jaffa · Challenger level

In my opinion it's no different to the AELTC giving Wimbledon WC's to the winners of Eastbourne, Ilkley, Surbiton etc.

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

the addict wrote:
AliBlahBlah wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
I don't have an issue with this as the top ranked player in this tourney was WR 139, and in the USO qualies. As far as I'm concerned Laura has earned this one (well at least mostly ) by her winning the singles and dubs. Even if you took her current ranking, she'd be close.
In the same week, 16 year old Vanessa Bianca Andreescu also won both singles and doubles at a North American $25K. Should she have one too, if that is to be the yardstick?
I take your point, but Andreescu reached a career high of 498 at the beginning of the month, but is now at 626 according to ITF. She has a bit further to go yet to compete at the level of US Open qualies. Maybe next year ?

Well, she did beat a WR99 Samantha Crawford at the end of July this year in Coupe Rogers qualies, so I don't think that argument holds water.
She's 16, she doesn't play seniors much, which is why her ranking fluctuates.
So, you would, by the same token, have argued against Laura's 2009 GS WC, when she was 15 and at a CH WR488, maybe next year?

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

Jaffa wrote:
In my opinion it's no different to the AELTC giving Wimbledon WC's to the winners of Eastbourne, Ilkley, Surbiton etc.

Except those arrangements are in place ahead of time, and well publicised. I disagree with the concept. But, small comfort, at least everyone knows where they stand entering those tournaments, and what they can gain from victory.
That is, as far as I can tell (having now quite extensively tried to find to the contrary) not the case with Landisville. There is no evidence of an arrangement for non-American WC being contingent upon Landisville results.

the addict · Tennis legend

Actually, I did disagree with Laura getting that main draw wildcard back in 2009, although she did take Hantuchova to three sets. She had only played one ITF event that year, so I didn't think it was justified.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

AliBlahBlah wrote:
the addict wrote:
I take your point, but Andreescu reached a career high of 498 at the beginning of the month, but is now at 626 according to ITF. She has a bit further to go yet to compete at the level of US Open qualies. Maybe next year ?
Well, she did beat a WR99 Samantha Crawford at the end of July this year in Coupe Rogers qualies, so I don't think that argument holds water.
She's 16, she doesn't play seniors much, which is why her ranking fluctuates.
So, you would, by the same token, have argued against Laura's 2009 GS WC, when she was 15 and at a CH WR488, maybe next year?

That's one win, not winning a tournament - abit different in my book.

Re Laura getting a Wimby WC in 2009. This comes back down to the whole home slam thing again. Maybe it's not fair, but in the current rulebook, it is what happens rightly or wrongly.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

AliBlahBlah wrote:
Jaffa wrote:
In my opinion it's no different to the AELTC giving Wimbledon WC's to the winners of Eastbourne, Ilkley, Surbiton etc.
Except those arrangements are in place ahead of time, and well publicised. I disagree with the concept. But, small comfort, at least everyone knows where they stand entering those tournaments, and what they can gain from victory.
That is, as far as I can tell (having now quite extensively tried to find to the contrary) not the case with Landisville. There is no evidence of an arrangement for non-American WC being contingent upon Landisville results.

I haven't any issue with those as they're higher level tournaments mostly too. A 25k is more borderline, but I stand by my point that it was a 'home' tournament and with Laura's history and being near the qualies cut now in any case, it's fine by me.

indiana · Tennis legend

chavkev wrote:
It must feel good earning the Wild Card this time. Hopefully this will be another stepping stone for her. Laura did qualify at Flushing Meadows before too.

I still think the word here should really be 'getting'.

As said there certainly seems nothing at all set in place for the winner of Landisville, unsurprising given it was just a 25K - essentially a higher futures level event if it was a guys' 25K.

Whatever, I have no huge issues about Q WCs in general for Slams other than best to have a level playing field. Let Laura prove herself in qualifying, and the recent signs are she well might. though to actually qualify will really signal another big step. Will be interesting.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 17th of August 2016 04:02:39 PM