Week 32 - Challenger ($100,000) - Nordic Naturals Challenger, Aptos, CA (hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RE: Week 32 - Challenger ($100,000) - Nordic Naturals Challenger, Aptos, CA (hard)

thejester · Satellite level

Rough going for Lloyd so far against Sarmiento. Down a set and a break 6-3 2-0*

thejester · Satellite level

Lloyd bows out 3 and 2. Anyone know anything about Sarmiento? Mid-20s but his career earnings are only $30k, is he a college product?

davidn · Junior player

Plays for USC one of the highly regarded tennis college teams ( Steve J came out of there)

so way under ranked relative to ability

thejester · Satellite level

davidn wrote:
Plays for USC one of the highly regarded tennis college teams ( Steve J came out of there)
so way under ranked relative to ability

Thanks for the info, I thought he must be either a college lad or a pretty poor journeyman so I'm glad it's the former!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

The story so far, i.e. half-way through:

L32: (9) Mitchell Krueger (USA) WR 223 defeated Liam Broady WR 281 by 2 & 4

Liam did really well to get himself back into contention in the second set, only to be broken to love in the ninth game. hmm

L32: (Q) Raymond Sarmiento (USA) WR 516 defeated Lloyd Glasspool WR 282 by 3 & 2 cry

Spectator · All-time great

I remember seeing Raymond Sarmiento's name as a university player - as davidn says, he did well (including winning a doubles championship with Steve Johnson ... though the aforementioned, currently playing in the 3rd round of the Olympics, might have also have had a role in that!) But I thought he had graduated a while ago - looked him up, and it looks as if he finished in 2014, but hadn't played a full year - there's a gap (injury? further study?) between September 2014 and March 2015, then continuous play from there. At any rate, de facto, as davidn suggests, he's only been a little over a year on the full circuit so is probably underranked.

And, at the top of the draw,

(1) Dan Evans WR 82 (CH = 73 last month) d (WC) Tom Fawcett WR 1400 (CH = 1399 last month) 6-2 6-2

Fawcett is the Stanford undergraduate who played Luke Bambridge a few weeks ago.

And, hurrah! Cam Norrie & Clay Thompson (USA) CR 2214 (1217+997) d ( 4) Sekou Bangoura & Evan King (USA/USA) CR 588 (178+410) 6-4 2-6 10-4. A good win.

-- Edited by Spectator on Tuesday 9th of August 2016 04:53:15 AM

indiana · Tennis legend

As Spectator says Sarmiento has been playing pretty continuously since March 2015 so certainly has had a full year to establish a ranking.

So ex-college 24yo and I see in his activity and ranking scores a pretty mixed bag of future results ( one 10K title and an undistinguished spread below ) and quite a number of non qualifying for challengers. There really isn't much evidence that he is that greatly underranked, probably been improving a bit being #413 in the race.

Lloyd's overall results have been much better and indeed he's been playing on the circuit for less time though also has now established a full year of ranking points. So it does appear to be quite a surprising scoreline on the day. Happens though ...

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 9th of August 2016 08:43:32 AM

Spectator · All-time great

It may also be a bad match-up. I noticed while running through his earlier results that his previous match against Mr Glasspool, which he lost, was closer than many of his losses.

Incidentally - and this is said less as justification of the past year for Mr Krueger than as praise for Mr Glasspool: on overall ranking, I don't think the surprise is that someone coming out of university has the record and ranking that Krueger has after a year - I think the surprise is that someone coming out of university has the record Mr Glasspool has after a year. By my rough reckoning (and I may well have missed some) Mr Glasspool is comfortably in the top 20 of active players who attended multiple years at university (ie, taking out people like Noah Rubin or Dennis Novikov), with the top three being John Isner, Steve Johnson and Kevin Anderson. Just doing a very, very rough scan, his trajectory in a year has been similar to that of J P Smith - who was fairly dominant, indeed more so than Mr Glasspool, at university. It's been a stellar start.

Also, just to note: the match between Norrie/Thompson and Bangoura/King is, somewhat oddly, strung over several items on the livestream site ... and missing the last points. But I did look at a little of it - and it is quite a bit of fun to watch.

-- Edited by Spectator on Tuesday 9th of August 2016 08:11:17 AM

Mark1968 · Intermediate Club Player

I actually watched the match. Lloyd made a lot of unforced errors and had a good chance to break for a second time early in the first set which he missed. Sarmeinto is a competent player, no better than Lloyd but Lloyd was off his game. The effort was there and at times he was clearly frustrated with his poor play. All human beings have bad days and that's all it was, an off day, nothing more. If they played again next week the result could easily go the other way.
He's in the doubles with Evo, good points and decent money up for grabs so lets hope they both give it their all.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
L32: (9) Mitchell Krueger (USA) WR 223 defeated Liam Broady WR 281 by 2 & 4
L32: (Q) Raymond Sarmiento (USA) WR 516 defeated Lloyd Glasspool WR 282 by 3 & 2

"Running total":

L32: (1) Dan Evans WR 82 defeated (WC) Tom Fawcett WR 1400 by 2 & 2

*****

L16: (1) Dan Evans WR 82 vs Emilio Gómez (ECU) WR 268 (CH = 215 in July 2014)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Spectator wrote:
And, hurrah! Cam Norrie & Clay Thompson (USA) CR 2214 (1217+997) d ( 4) Sekou Bangoura & Evan King (USA/USA) CR 588 (178+410) 6-4 2-6 10-4. A good win.

A good win indeed! biggrin Absolutely delighted to see that result!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

L32: (Q) Cam Norrie WR 423 defeated (5) Ramkumar Ramanathan (IND) WR 203 by 6-3 7-7(8)

You were saying, Bob? wink That said, I kind of agreed with you...

*****

L16: (Q) Cam Norrie WR 423 vs Sekou Bangoura (USA) WR 250 (= CH)

indiana · Tennis legend

Having been discussing the debatable 'underranking' of Mr Sarmiento one player who undoubtably is seriously underranked is Cam. There is one very awkward college tennis player to draw. There are reasons why he was the UTR fifth rated Brit when I looked recently.

Still, very well done

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 9th of August 2016 09:58:52 PM

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

A great win for Cam. Or should I say ANOTHER great win for Cam. When the time comes, we are going to have a serious player on our hands - not that he isn't a serious player already, but you know what I mean. smile

Good luck to Cam and Evo for the rest of the week. I shall probably miss most of it as the time has come to pack my bags and head home again. So another long 24 hours on the road lies ahead over tomorrow and Thursday.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Tuesday 9th of August 2016 10:02:29 PM