Week 31 - ATP 250 - BB&T Atlanta Open, Atlanta, GA (hard)

the addict · Tennis legend

Week 31 - ATP 250 - BB&T Atlanta Open, Atlanta, GA (hard)

thejester · Satellite level

Perhaps I didn't put it very well. I don't mean to say that we should just accept everything Dan might do wrong simply because it's Dan, just that by nature his play will be less consistent than some of his peers. More sublime winners, more poor errors.
I certainly hope that he can continue to do better, and I genuinely believe he can. In fact I believe it to such a foolish extent that, although I don't bet anymore, the last 2 bets I placed were a couple of rather sizeable (to me at least) ones that 1) Dan would be a top 50 player and 2) he would win an ATP level tournament. Both placed last year with him languishing in the 700s. I'd like to think that even though my finances are quite clearly entwined with his career success (lol) I'm still capable of objectively critiquing his performance.

On another note, shoutout to young Reilly Opelka. 18 years old and knocked 3rd seeded 'usually big'* Kevin A out in round 2.
*His opponent is 6 foot 11!!!!

-- Edited by thejester on Wednesday 3rd of August 2016 09:24:02 PM

Spectator · All-time great

That's quite a win with which to start your ATP career. (And at the same time a pity, too - I like Kevin Anderson, and he's had a tough time coming back from injuries. Probably didn't need that!)

Well done to Jonny Marray and Adil Shamasdin. Great win.

Dan Evans and Ken Skupski lost the 1st set 6-3, but it's on serve in the second.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

R1: Nicholas Monroe & Artem Sitak (USA/NZL) CR 126 (65+61) defeated Dan Evans & Ken Skupski CR 711 (633+78) by 6-3 6-7(7) [10-6]

thejester · Satellite level

Stircrazy wrote:
R1: Nicholas Monroe & Artem Sitak (USA/NZL) CR 126 (65+61) defeated Dan Evans & Ken Skupski CR 711 (633+78) by 6-3 6-7(7) [10-6]

That's a damn good effort against a decent team.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

QF: Marcelo Demoliner & Guillermo García (BRA/ESP) CR 506 (72+434) defeated Jonny Marray & Adil Shamasdin (CAN) CR 150 (84+66) by 4 & 2 bleh

Robin · Lower Club Player

Stircrazy wrote:
QF: Marcelo Demoliner & Guillermo García (BRA/ESP) CR 506 (72+434) defeated Jonny Marray & Adil Shamasdin (CAN) CR 150 (84+66) by 4 & 2

I don't know much about the opponents but that's a shock, will Jonny and Adil get into the US open?

indiana · Tennis legend

Ah, that's a fairly decisive letdown after their great and very decisive R1 win.

thejester · Satellite level

I see Dan's conqueror Nishioka has made it through to the semis here. Along with the young Opelka who is having the breakthrough week of his dreams so far.

Spectator · All-time great

Yes, and Duck Hee Lee is also in the SFs in Chengdu and, as we know to our regret, Francis Tiafoe is in the SFs in Granby. Could have quite a lot of younger players in the top 100 in the not-too-distant future to go with the late-bloomers.

Actually, here's the current breakdown: 41% over 30, 44% 25 - 30, 15% under 25. What's really striking is the way some years are just much stronger than others: for example the 34s, 31s, 30s, 29s, who have dominated the top for most of their careers.

37 - 1 (26 Karlovic)
36 - 2 (highest ranked Robert at 58 + Estrella Burgos)
35 - 1 (98 Benj Becker)
34 - 7 (3 in the top 20: Federer at 3 + Ferrer and Lopez; all within top 60)
33 - 3 (highest ranked Muller at 37)
32 - 7 (Kohlschreiber and Verdasco the only ones in top 50)
31 - 11 (Banner year: Wawrinka at 4, Tsonga at 9, Isner at 17, and Simon at 31 are the top)
30 - 9 (And again: Nadal 5, Berdych 9, Gasquet 15, Cuevas 21, Anderson 28 are at the top)
29 - 6 (But what a 6! Djokovic, Murray, Monfils, Chardy, Fognini, Haase)
28 - 8 (highest: Bautista-Agut at 16, Querrey at 29)
27 - 9 (highest ranked - Cilic at 14, Klizan at 30)
26 - 13 (highest ranked - Nishikori at 6, Johnson at 22, Pella at 49, rest 50 to 100)
25 - 8 (and interestingly, a much stronger-looking cohort than the three years ahead of them: Raonic at 7, Goffin at 13, and a number of still-rising in the 30 - 50 range)
24 - 1 (Dzumhur, 70)
23 - 4 (Highest ranked Tomic at 20 + a rising cohort - Sock, Vesely Schwartzman)
22 - 3 (Highest ranked Thiem at 10, with Pouille at 27 and Jordan Thompson)
21 - 2 (Kyrgios at 18 and Edmund at 83)
20 - 2 (Khachanov and Nishioka, both in the 90s)
19 - 2 (Zverev and Coric - 24 and 51)
18 - 1 (Fritz 57)

TMH · Futures qualifying

Nishioka has been just behind Kyle his entire career (including juniors!).

TMH · Futures qualifying

Spectator wrote:
Yes, and Duck Hee Lee is also in the SFs in Chengdu and, as we know to our regret, Francis Tiafoe is in the SFs in Granby. Could have quite a lot of younger players in the top 100 in the not-too-distant future to go with the late-bloomers.

Actually, here's the current breakdown: 41% over 30, 44% 25 - 30, 15% under 25. What's really striking is the way some years are just much stronger than others: for example the 34s, 31s, 30s, 29s, who have dominated the top for most of their careers.

37 - 1 (26 Karlovic)
36 - 2 (highest ranked Robert at 58 + Estrella Burgos)
35 - 1 (98 Benj Becker)
34 - 7 (3 in the top 20: Federer at 3 + Ferrer and Lopez; all within top 60)
33 - 3 (highest ranked Muller at 37)
32 - 7 (Kohlschreiber and Verdasco the only ones in top 50)
31 - 11 (Banner year: Wawrinka at 4, Tsonga at 9, Isner at 17, and Simon at 31 are the top)
30 - 9 (And again: Nadal 5, Berdych 9, Gasquet 15, Cuevas 21, Anderson 28 are at the top)
29 - 6 (But what a 6! Djokovic, Murray, Monfils, Chardy, Fognini, Haase)
28 - 8 (highest: Bautista-Agut at 16, Querrey at 29)
27 - 9 (highest ranked - Cilic at 14, Klizan at 30)
26 - 13 (highest ranked - Nishikori at 6, Johnson at 22, Pella at 49, rest 50 to 100)
25 - 8 (and interestingly, a much stronger-looking cohort than the three years ahead of them: Raonic at 7, Goffin at 13, and a number of still-rising in the 30 - 50 range)
24 - 1 (Dzumhur, 70)
23 - 4 (Highest ranked Tomic at 20 + a rising cohort - Sock, Vesely Schwartzman)
22 - 3 (Highest ranked Thiem at 10, with Pouille at 27 and Jordan Thompson)
21 - 2 (Kyrgios at 18 and Edmund at 83)
20 - 2 (Khachanov and Nishioka, both in the 90s)
19 - 2 (Zverev and Coric - 24 and 51)
18 - 1 (Fritz 57)

Thanks for finding this, fascinating stuff.

There are a hell of a lot of exciting prospects at the moment, at a level we haven't seen since Murray and co. more than 10 years ago.

indiana · Tennis legend

Just would be great if Andy was last standing among that previous generation and picked up a few more slams before the new kids really find their feet. But pesky Serb still a big factor ...

indiana · Tennis legend

Kyle moving along nicely. Were some scare stories in his early senior years about getting left behind this one and that one who he's surpassed again and it's quite a longer haul yet. Plenty still that needs improved on and can be, some which will be pretty vital re his chances of reaching the really top echelons.

-- Edited by indiana on Sunday 7th of August 2016 12:45:53 PM

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Kyle is steady Eddie, his development 500 to 82 has almost been linear. I think it's just the 22,23,24 and even 25 year olds who have been so slow to mature and are shallow cohorts made people nervous when watching the cohort just behind.

Nick the Greek leads a definite paradigm shift in quality, all the next gen hype is probably not without foundation, I think what is clear is that the 29,30 and 31 year olds where a golden generation containing 4 players that would have been world class in any era, they were perhaps just a little unfortunate to be a contemporary of Novak and be riding on the coat tails of perhaps the best tennis player of all time (Fed). We undoubtedly have a lot to be grateful for and I feel a lot to look forward to.

Kyle given his talent level and attitude which is making him competitive against almost everyone aged 28 and below is nicely placed to spend a significant amount of his career in the upper echelons of world tennis.

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 7th of August 2016 05:19:55 AM