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Post Info TOPIC: Davis Cup 2016 World Group Semi Final - GB v Argentina - 16th to 18th September
Who should play Day 1 singles? [28 vote(s)]

Kyle
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RE: Davis Cup 2016 World Group Semi Final - GB v Argentina - 16th to 18th September


RJA wrote:
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Delpo is currently ARG's no 14. That just seems totally ridiculous. Let's hope he has a good run and the USO and they base the rankings on him being their no 1.


 He would need to make the SF of the US Open to be their No1.


 Well, not surprisingly, Del Potro has been given a wild card into the US Open. Could he be the most dangerous floater for years ?



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If his form continues, I can't imagine there could have been a more dangerous floater in the Open Era. Just looking back at the match today - I had forgotten just how good he is. So glad to have him back. Sincerely hope he's not in Mr Murray's quarter.

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Tickets go on sale next week to members and those who went to the Japan fixture

I could get tickets through that category, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

3 days of tickets are @£200. A late sunday finish would mean another overnight stay(4 nights) and a couple of days off work. The cost of a long weekend is now getting extremely expensive.
Is it really worth it, when I can watch it in full on TV?

The answer is probably not.

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I realise the US Open is far from over, but the amazing results of Kyle and Dan made me think a little on who Leon will select against Argentina. The more I thought, the more picking Andy, Kyle, Dan and Jamie made sense. We now have two guys who can play second singles, Dan who appears to be showing a little doubles aptitude ( he has a good chance of a last 16 place now in doubles in New York),and so could be a back up to Andy and Jamie as the obvious first pair. Dom would lose out but being frank I don't think he's needed now we have a string second singles option. Who gets the final nod of Dan and Kyle for second singles will be fascinating as frankly both deserve it. Heady days!

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JonH wrote:

I realise the US Open is far from over, but the amazing results of Kyle and Dan made me think a little on who Leon will select against Argentina. The more I thought, the more picking Andy, Kyle, Dan and Jamie made sense. We now have two guys who can play second singles, Dan who appears to be showing a little doubles aptitude ( he has a good chance of a last 16 place now in doubles in New York),and so could be a back up to Andy and Jamie as the obvious first pair. Dom would lose out but being frank I don't think he's needed now we have a string second singles option. Who gets the final nod of Dan and Kyle for second singles will be fascinating as frankly both deserve it. Heady days!


I have just hinted at this dilemma on the US Open thread.  I agree with Dom missing out and picking both Kyle and Dan.  It is a great problem for Leon to have at the moment.  It may well come down to particular match ups and it wouldn't surprise me to have say Kyle playing on the Friday with Evo held back to seal the win on the Sunday if necessary.  Certainly in last year's final against Belgium, this was the plan with Kyle and Wardy both selected.

Of course Delpo playing Nş2 singles for Argentina (when he is clearly their best player) could throw a spanner in the works of any planning.



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Agreed, BiS - the great thing though about Delpo playing #2 for Argentina is that he will play Andy on day one, which gives us a real chance on hardcourts , in Glasgow, of going 2-0 on day one. Whoever Argentina pick as their other singles player (Delbonis? Pella? Monaco?) I would fancy either of Dan or Kyle taking a win in that match.

Getting ahead of ourselves now

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JonH wrote:

Agree though about Delpo playing #2 for Argentina is that he will play Andy on day one, which gives us a real chance on hardcourts , in Glasgow, of going 2-0 on day one. Whoever Argentina pick as their other singles player (Delbonis? Pella? Monaco?) I would fancy either of Dan or Kyle taking a win in that match.

Getting ahead of ourselves now


 Yes, some of us on this thread and forum have hinted at this before and I read in the Dailyrecord yesterday that Andy Murray has said the same. Leon could potentially pick three singles players and Jamie, rather than go down the doubles route with selecting Dom and Jamie. The various options and potential match ups make the Davis Cup absolutely facinating.

If Dan takes a set off Warinka in the next match he simply must be picked.. but lets see how Kyle goes today... 

Picking both is looking increasingly more attractive but Delpo as no.2 is really playing with my mind because the bloke is an awesome player. Only an 100% Andy is going to beat this fella on current form.

I don't see Dan as a reserve for day3, for me he either plays on day one or he doesn't get picked. Picking Dom allows Leon to rest Andy for the doubles if we are one each or evens after day 1. I think we need the best option to avoid Andy playing all three days, whether thats playing him day1 & 3 or day2 & 3 but I can't quite see Leon not playing Andy on day1...

What a glorious position Leon now finds himself, the boys are all performing, wonderful stuff this.. Heady days indeed..

 



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What a great position to be in re our #2. I couldn't call it before the US Open and certainly still can't call it and I wouldn't be calling it on single particulars like say Dan taking a set off Wawrinka. Any such further marker by Dan or Kyle has still to be considered in what circumstances ( 7-5 1-6 1-6 1-6 vs Wawrinka or an off form Wawrinka ? ) and how the other is progressing, indeed probably quite a range of factors regarding two players who have been quite similarly matched in achievement for some time.

Let's see what else each do in this US Open, but I am not sure that it will be any deciding factor and Leon could still be considering how they have each come out of the US Open when the squad assemble and practise. If it remains seemingly very close Leon is quite liable to go with his honest gut feeling at the time.



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The 'issue' of having two very fine (eligible) 2nd singles players is a lovely one! But it feels quite a complex choice because of JMDP and the depth of the team overall. Unlike all but three other players, JMDP has a reasonable shot at being able to beat Andy Murray, at least enough that one can't count on a fairly automatic two points. Then with the Argentines, any one of their 'other' players could well knock out either Dan Evans or Kyle Edmund ... although they could also lose to Evans/Edmund. Lots of uncertainty all around. What I'm not clear on is whether we know when AM will play JMDP: if it's potentially in the last day, then AM's playing doubles is very risky.

So it feels as if the doubles point matters. I don't think I would read anything re: doubles into Dan Evans' win with Nick Kyrgios (who I think is quite a good doubles player) against two players with a combined Career High ranking of 1721. When I've seen him play, he hasn't struck as a doubles natural; he has never won a Tour-level doubles match; and indeed two of theonly three doubles matches he won at any level this year came against teenagers. Edmund had some fine doubles results as a junior but hasn't really played as a senior ... and he has a straight-sets loss to two of the Argentines at Wimbledon. So choosing a doubles player might not be the best idea ... but then again, it might. Glad not to be the one making choices.



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If Andy and JMDP are selected to play on the first day, they will be playing each other.

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Could they sub in JMDP on the last day, though, if they didn't play him on the first? Or would that not be possible? Sorry to be ignorant.

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Could they sub in JMDP on the last day, though, if they didn't play him on the first? Or would that not be possible? Sorry to be ignorant.


 Yes. You have to name a final squad of four players. You then pick two to play singles on Day 1. The higher ranked of those two plays the lower ranked of the two picked by the other team. For the reverse singles on Day 3 you can then sub in either, or both, of your other players to replace those that played on Day 1.



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Yes, Argentina can name Delpo as a doubles player and play him in singles in rubbers 4 or 5.

The rules say that singles 1 & 2 have to be named in order of merit an hour brfore the Draw which is normally 24hours before the first rubber. I think this means that Delpo can only be no.2 if named as a singles player and can't now have a better ranking than Delbonis, even if he wins the US Open but someone will no doubt correct me on this if I'm wrong. The rankings will be atp as suggested by the rules which ask for world computer rankings, I'm guessing these rules were written some years ago to utilise this language.

Players named before the draw for rubbers 1& 2 can be changed but the rules then suggest that this substituted player would then not be eligable to play in the remainder of the tie, unless the match ref determines he was ill or other disciplinary issue etc. These rules sort of contradict each other in plain lanuage for me but I guess if the captain says he is injured then the assumption is he couldn't play any further part but then another rule says the ref may agree he was ill on day one but could play days 2 or 3 if the ref agreed.

The rules were written originally I guess to have the no.1 players play each other on day3 and ensure the tie goes 3days in most cases but then additions allow some flexibility for days 2 and 3. It sort of all makes sense if you read the pdf rules at the davis cup web site.

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Apologies I think RJA said the same whilst I was writing a reply

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I think the rankings used are taking at the point of nomination so will the rankings as of now will be the ones used.

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