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RE: Weeks 26 & 27 - Wimbledon 2016 (incl. Andy) (grass)


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Chris Goldsmith @TheTennisTalker 3m3 minutes ago

Yen Hsun Lu is W15 L1 on grass in 2016, only loss was to Dustin Brown in Manchester. #bbctennis #wimbledon


 Nice to see proper context for those 15 wins provided, i.e 14 of them at challenger level.


 Words cannot adequately describe how minimal Mr Goldsmith's contribution to tennis insight and knowledge is. He is so omnipotent that he is able to describe how a player is playing and what is going right or wrong from live scores alone. He talks. a lot! Not much else......grrrr 


 Couldn't agree more. it isn't like me to say anything but the fella is an idiot, and seeing the bbc retweet him endlessly this week really has annoyed me.



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Andy was really impressive today; ruthless :D

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Dan's piece of work over the last 12 months has been nothing short of spectacular, I finally sense a realisation that he now understands how much talent he has and what he needs to do to make something of it.

I cannot be more pleased for him. The more British tennis players having success from as many different backgrounds as posdible the better. There will be athletic kids sitting down in erdington having watching Dan win today (because Wimbledon is on terrestrial TV) thinking if he can do that so can I.

So a big up and keep it up to Evo!

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Jaffa wrote:
korriban wrote:
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Chris Goldsmith @TheTennisTalker 3m3 minutes ago

Yen Hsun Lu is W15 L1 on grass in 2016, only loss was to Dustin Brown in Manchester. #bbctennis #wimbledon


 Nice to see proper context for those 15 wins provided, i.e 14 of them at challenger level.


 Words cannot adequately describe how minimal Mr Goldsmith's contribution to tennis insight and knowledge is. He is so omnipotent that he is able to describe how a player is playing and what is going right or wrong from live scores alone. He talks. a lot! Not much else......grrrr 


 Couldn't agree more. it isn't like me to say anything but the fella is an idiot, and seeing the bbc retweet him endlessly this week really has annoyed me.


He annoys me a bit too (though he's fairly harmless and presumably he means well), yet he's got twice as many followers as me, so plenty of people must like what he does smile (or confuse ... wink), though someone did once say to me that they only followed him for the comedy value of his imagined commentaries. His bandwagon-jumping particularly irks me but having wholeheartedly jumped on the Marcus bandwagon this week (mainly for my own amusement), I could be accused of sitting in a glass house throwing stones wink

He goes well beyond the Brits and actively (see how I resisted the temptation to use the 'd' word there wink) courts new followers, following thousands of people so they'll follow him back, etc, so that may be why. Maybe that's the way to go (a lot of successful accounts do it that way) but I prefer to stick to a niche, do it as well as I can, only follow a limited number of people so I have a fighting chance of actually reading (or at least skimming) all of my timeline, though even that fails at Wimbledon time, and get new followers organically. I'd rather have fewer followers than people following me who aren't at all interested in the crap I write.

As for the BBC RTing him so much this week, it's partly a case of him guessing what they want and tweeting it with the relevant tags (which I guess is an art in itself) and partly evidence of how lazy the BBC can be - possibly understandable with people doing 10-hour shifts on the BBC blog at this time of year.



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steven wrote:
Jaffa wrote:
korriban wrote:
RJA wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

Chris Goldsmith @TheTennisTalker 3m3 minutes ago

Yen Hsun Lu is W15 L1 on grass in 2016, only loss was to Dustin Brown in Manchester. #bbctennis #wimbledon


 Nice to see proper context for those 15 wins provided, i.e 14 of them at challenger level.


 Words cannot adequately describe how minimal Mr Goldsmith's contribution to tennis insight and knowledge is. He is so omnipotent that he is able to describe how a player is playing and what is going right or wrong from live scores alone. He talks. a lot! Not much else......grrrr 


 Couldn't agree more. it isn't like me to say anything but the fella is an idiot, and seeing the bbc retweet him endlessly this week really has annoyed me.


He annoys me a bit too (though he's fairly harmless and presumably he means well), yet he's got twice as many followers as me, so plenty of people must like what he does smile (or confuse ... wink), though someone did once say to me that they only followed him for the comedy value of his imagined commentaries. His bandwagon-jumping particularly irks me but having wholeheartedly jumped on the Marcus bandwagon this week (mainly for my own amusement), I could be accused of sitting in a glass house throwing stones wink

He goes well beyond the Brits and actively (see how I resisted the temptation to use the 'd' word there wink) courts new followers, following thousands of people so they'll follow him back, etc, so that may be why. Maybe that's the way to go (a lot of successful accounts do it that way) but I prefer to stick to a niche, do it as well as I can, only follow a limited number of people so I have a fighting chance of actually reading (or at least skimming) all of my timeline, though even that fails at Wimbledon time, and get new followers organically. I'd rather have fewer followers than people following me who aren't at all interested in the crap I write.

As for the BBC RTing him so much this week, it's partly a case of him guessing what they want and tweeting it with the relevant tags (which I guess is an art in itself) and partly evidence of how lazy the BBC can be - possibly understandable with people doing 10-hour shifts on the BBC blog at this time of year.


 Steven, I would be disappointed if you lowered yourself to 'courting' new followers, I really would. The number next to your name doesn't deduce how popular you are (I'll leave that to your imagination). I found your account by chance and as a fan its the best thing I've ever done. Your tweets are just spot on, always to the point and you don't put negative opinion in to them which I think is why you are so popular. The stat pages are distinctly average though

I know we have had a couple of chances to cross paths and we haven't been able to but hopefully in the near future we will, and for christ's sake, it's my round

Thanks, as always for all you do.



-- Edited by Jaffa on Thursday 30th of June 2016 11:00:20 PM

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Oakland2002 wrote:

Dan's piece of work over the last 12 months has been nothing short of spectacular, I finally sense a realisation that he now understands how much talent he has and what he needs to do to make something of it.

I cannot be more pleased for him. The more British tennis players having success from as many different backgrounds as posdible the better. There will be athletic kids sitting down in erdington having watching Dan win today (because Wimbledon is on terrestrial TV) thinking if he can do that so can I.

So a big up and keep it up to Evo!


I don't think that Evo has ever failed to understand how much talent he has. The real difference is that he has finally decided that he wants to be a professional tennis player rather than a guy who just plays tennis.



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As a young man, it seems that Dan was treated at the NTC as though he walked on water (based on what various people have said, including Julian Hoferlin, RIP). Very much in keeping with the LTA's 'big fish in a small pond' treatment that, quite rightly, was deemed to be the wrong approach and giving the players no incentive. (Shame they couldn't find an alternative, and just simply cut everythingcry).
Being dropped by the LTA, therefore, probably actually did Dan a bit of good (interestingly, I always thought Tara suffered slightly from the same syndrome....).
But I still remember the piece, from a couple of years ago, where Dan talked about his Dad who, seemingly, had finally lost patience and said something along the lines of 'right, enough's enough, either you buckle down or get yourself a proper job, I've had it up to here'. And Dan sounding quite contrite, and a bit surprised. And since then everything has gone 100% in the right direction (injuries being outside of anyone's control, unfortunately). Well done, Dad, I saysmile



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Steven, I've sat in on pitches where start-ups etc. get funding partly based on the number of followers they have. It's true that it's taken very seriously and can (repeat CAN) be a sign of traction that is valuable.
However, I know that there are people in India - and presumably elsewhere - who charge simply to create zillions of twitter accounts and follow you; so unless you actually look at the followers, it's no proof of anything.
And, yes, mass 'you follow me and I'll follow you' agreements also work.

Just for me, and to back up Jaffa, I don't have a twitter account. So I look at people's tweets on line. i.e. it's an active decision each day who to check, no automatic following.
And I look at yours at least once a day, every day (more in peak tennis time).
But at Chris' only occasionally i.e. for large swathes of time, I'll forget he's even there and then if I check and there's something vaguely interesting, I'll check again the next day, and maybe the next, then if nothing, I'll forget about him again....

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Jaffa wrote:
... and for christ's sake, it's my round

 What's this got to do with me?



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christ wrote:
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... and for christ's sake, it's my round

 What's this got to do with me?


 



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Just for me, and to back up Jaffa, I don't have a twitter account. So I look at people's tweets on line. i.e. it's an active decision each day who to check, no automatic following.
And I look at yours at least once a day, every day (more in peak tennis time).


 Me too.



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But I still remember the piece, from a couple of years ago, where Dan talked about his Dad who, seemingly, had finally lost patience and said something along the lines of 'right, enough's enough, either you buckle down or get yourself a proper job, I've had it up to here'. And Dan sounding quite contrite, and a bit surprised. And since then everything has gone 100% in the right direction (injuries being outside of anyone's control, unfortunately). Well done, Dad, I saysmile


And from the horse's mouth in today's Times, under the headline "Next to face Federer:  the bad boy who won't be a pushover":

The parallels between Evans and Willis are striking.  In their teenage years both were regarded as among the most talented of their generation.  Both came a cropper.  While Willis, 25, accrued [ disbelief - I think that should have been "acquired".  Close, I suppose...] a penchant for Snickers and Pepsi cola in between games, Evans, 26, liked a night out.

He lost focus, funding and, briefly, his liberty after being arrested by police over a sexual assault allegation at a nightclub in Bath.  He spent 12 hours in a cell and had to wait six months before he was cleared.

In between good-natured jibes at Willis yesterday, Evans spoke of how he was moved to reform by his friends and parents, with whom he still lives in Solihull, West Midlands.  "I let a lot of people down," he said.

"It was difficult to keep letting these guys down, seeing them disappointed in what I'd been doing.  Gradually, the message got through, but it took a few knocks at the door."

Just over a year ago he was ranked 772nd in the world, the same as Willis on the eve of Wimbledon.  After some hard work and pain he has broken into the top 100.  The wild boy for once did not need a Wimbledon wild card.

Evans stressed that not all his old habits had died, however.  "I still like a night out," he said.  "It doesn't change.  Just do it at the right time."

Extract from an article in the main paper by two journos whose names I can't recall seeing before, David Sanderson & Martyn Ziegler.  I was about to ask whether anyone knew what had become of Neil Harman, but decided to look him up on Google & it turns out that, in July 2014, it emerged that he had plagiarised material for the official Wimbledon yearbook, which he had written since 2004.  He admitted the allegation & subsequently resigned from the International Tennis Writers' Association.  Unsurprisingly, he was then suspended from The Times.

That's by the by, however.  To revert to the original topic, Evo certainly now comes over as a reformed character.  smile



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finally got a few moments to say how fantastic it was to see Marcus playing Roger Fed on centre court at Wimbledon. everyone had smiles on their faces and thoroughly enjoyed the tennis. Marcus really was never going to win but he played some lovely tennis at times including lobbing Roger after playing some gorgeous shots in that 1st set.

as some of you may have gathered, I asked Steven if he would like the spare ticket I had as I really wanted to go with someone who liked tennis. It was a lovely day even though the weather not good. it was so lovely to spend the time with Steven and especially as I know he will be going on his journey and well, we never really know what the future brings and I may never see him again so its so important to make the most of life and take all opportunities and enjoy life NOW.  So thank you Steven for being such a lovely companion.

I did take my camera but only took a couple of photos and then started feeling like a groupie which I am not. This was after getting a very nice close up photo of Milos R.

as for Marcus and Dan and all the others who I hope are feeling inspired by what is happening with British tennis at the moment. I hope they will continue to remain focused on the tennis, work hard, take all opportunities but have fun too.

it appears to be very exciting times for British Tennis :)



-- Edited by emma on Friday 1st of July 2016 12:51:43 PM

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For those Spanish speakers among us, here is a report from "El Mundo", one of the national papers in Spain. Not sure Marcus would appreciate being called an "Amateur", but I think I know what they mean.

www.elmundo.es/deportes/2016/06/29/57740a2fca4741084b8b45c4.html

And you will find some great pictures here as well

www.elmundo.es/album/deportes/2016/06/29/57740628e5fdeac8568b4672_9.html




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Evo isn't playing too badly but is being given a bit of a lesson here by Roger - broke him in the first set though which is more than anyone else can say thus far this tournament!
assuming Roger goes on to win, I fully expect Dan to take the positives, and strive to continue improving his game

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