Entries Week 30 - 25/07/2016

philwrig · Hall of fame

Entries Week 30 - 25/07/2016

FriendofLouieG · Lower Club Player

This is getting WAY off topic!

emma · Strong Club Player

apologies I ought to have written is there instead of there is. I've never been on a forum group before so am just getting used to how things work.

Oak is probably right when he says it is about ownership - thanks.

and maybe a new word to describe a female or male between being a child boy/girl and becoming a man/woman (that transition phase). the Enhlish language can be limiting at times.

edit: found out surprisingly perhaps that pre 1400 all youngsters (all sexes) were known as girls !

-- Edited by emma on Sunday 24th of July 2016 07:46:01 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

emma wrote:

apologies I ought to have written is there instead of there is. I've never been on a forum group before so am just getting used to how things work.

Oak is probably right when he says it is about ownership - thanks.

and maybe a new word to describe a female or male between being a child boy/girl and becoming a man/woman (that transition phase). the Enhlish language can be limiting at times.

I don't really think you have any need to apologise, Emma.

You made one comment about the "girl" usage, referencing a post in the thread, and it was followed up more than you could have expected ( you got us thinking if not necessarily agreeing ). Such things can so often happen in a forum. It's no biggee.

Etienne · Club Coach

Thanks to emma for raising this.

The sport I've been most involved in during my adult life is korfball, which is a mixed sex sport with 4 men and 4 women in a team. Hence I've had to write innumerable emails and match reports detailing needing to differentiate between male and female players - and men/women, male/female and gentlemen/ladies all don't sound right when referring to me teammates and friends. At uni (so mostly for 18-21 years olds, though there were plenty of grad students) boys/girls was almost universally used and sounded fine.

As I moved on to adult teams it did begin to sound a bit odd, and I have long felt that we need a female specific equivalent for "guys" - preferably not "dolls"!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes, Emma, I think it was an interesting and worthwhile discussion - and exactly what a lot of people like about a forum.

And as to going off topic, well it's true - but that was the fault of all of us, not just you.

And, anyway, the thread for entries for 25/07 is nearly done and dusted now (all the actual entries will be finalised this evening/this weekend) so there's not much else to add so why not talk about something else ? smile

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Hev's made the MD at Montreal, and Tara's in qualies.

the addict · Tennis legend

ITF qualifying draws being published already for some tournaments.

In Segovia, Laura Deigman appears to have been promoted to the main draw, Jazzamay Drew is seeded Q3, Lucy Brown Q4 and Laura Sainsbury Q8

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Ok let's stop referring to the girls as 'girls'. Maybe Crumpet or Skirt would be better.

What do we think?

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

the addict wrote:
ITF qualifying draws being published already for some tournaments.

In Segovia, Laura Deigman appears to have been promoted to the main draw, Jazzamay Drew is seeded Q3, Lucy Brown Q4 and Laura Sainsbury Q8

Good luck to all our girlies this week....

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

philwrig wrote:
In Newcastle its all about lads and lasses, but I never call tennis players on here lasses, but I do call some of the guys, lads. I don't think there's anything wrong with the term girls.

There is nothing wrong at all I think the fact the issue has been raised is the most depressing thing. It's an ever growing British trait to come out with nonsense like Emma has on here. I'm sitting with some Australian friends just now who have just commented that if Emma had raised this issue on as Aussie forum they'd put it down as a wind up or laugh it off.

My other half text me sayin she's out with the girls after work for drinks. They are all in their 30's....

Oakland2002 · All-time great

This board is like a breath of fresh air, although founded on a general interest, uNrequieted love of or loathing of all things British tennis or distrust of the LTA perhaps on occasions life in general (delete as appropriate) the digressions into the nuance of language are not quite unique per sae but definitely unusual for a sports forum.

I completely understand that a similar Australian forum would find Emma's posting puzzling and interpret it as a wind up. A sort of relative of mine (would be an in law, but in a very Australian way has a common law relationship with a cousin of mine.... Sorry I digress, but please bare with) worked in his first post as a junior diplomat for the Australian diplomatic service in Cairo, his end of year appraisal said he had been a great success but needed to work much harder on his people skills.... Ummmm.

But perhaps there is something to be learnt from other Bulletin boards because I know for a fact the Millwall bulletin board would have chewed up Emma's comments and spat them out without cogitation, indeed similar bulletin boards often suggest songs for posters to sing at games, ( I love the rhythm and insight of the Australian fan forum chant in honour of one of Aston's finest musicians, Mr Osbourne we salute you " Ossie Ossie Ossie, Oi, Oi! Oi" )

perhaps we should become a bit more mainline sport forum in our postings and come up with some chants of our own that we could blast out in unison at the Surbiton challenger or Frinton futures next year, the challenge is they should really reflect the character and tone of the forum. He is my first attempt.

" We are the British Tennis.net bulletin board,
super bulletin board
not from the Den,
no one likes us,
no one likes us,
And we don't care,
Athough that type of attitude is pretty unreasonable,
And actually we do care
and we will definitely post about it!"

Sorry pretty disappointing really, as an alternative perhaps we could consider the context and what I consider an appropriate use of the term girl to describe the US's First Lady, who was highlighting her impending world tour, the sole aim of which is to focus on getting girls and women into education in the developing world.

"I have just watched the Michelle Obama car share with James Corden and she is one hell of a girl! "

Definitely worth a look, the whole piece is an absolute gem, perfect in so many ways and such a contrast to the republican candidates inaugrination in Ohio.

indiana · Tennis legend

It is indeed great that this forum for the most part is so diferent from so many sports forums and how I feel the vast majority of ( at least fairly regular ) contributors "get it", no doubt often adapt and learn to love its style and diplomacy.

Long may it continue as a breath of fresh air in which we often do engage in debate but subject based ( and sometimes divergent subjects ) rather than people based, which helps it retain a refreshing tone and allows people to throw occasional thoughts they've had into the ether knowing they can expect respectful responses if not necessarily agreement.

Now about no Slam MD WCs ...

steven · Tennis legend

Still trying to work out which post has made the last page of this thread about 20x as wide as it should be but at least getting a laugh from seeing the phrase "Australian diplomatic service" ... still, harder to laugh at the Aussies over stuff like this now we've got Boris in the F. Off.

Edit: looks like the "Edited by" lines on a couple of Indiana's posts got corrupted (I'm sure it's not his fault!) - I've edited them out and the width seems to be back to normal now.

As for the language, I think it all depends on context - I've known men who refer to women as "girls" in a patronising way but if it's obviously not meant that way (that's never easy to tell on a forum, of course), then I certainly don't have a problem with it. Personally, I try to use "men" and "women" when talking about senior events and "boys" and "girls" when talking about junior events - though I'm sure people could find exceptions to that if they looked hard enough. wink

-- Edited by steven on Saturday 23rd of July 2016 11:48:34 AM