Wimbledon Wildcards - Men

hoots · Intermediate Club Player

Wimbledon Wildcards - Men

seagull · Hall of fame

Shocking but not suprising decision. Really don't think Andy's comments helped Dan either.

It's a double whammy as he can't even play Eastbourne now.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

So perhaps if Dan had long blond hair and a modelling contract, they may have come to a different decision. I could understand (although not agree) if they had just denied Dan an MD WC, but not to even give him a QWC is an utter disgrace and a clear case of double standards after their decision over Sharapova last year.

The Knight · Challenger qualifying

hoots wrote:

Sharapovas offence was performance enhancing, Dan's wasn't

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about my statement

the addict · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
Draw will be out tonight. There is a fact sheet on the LTA site - I can't access it from my tablet, but will look out for more info when I get home. Takes place at Wimbkedon, behind closed doors, Thursday and Friday

-- Edited by the addict on Wednesday 20th of June 2018 12:34:46 PM

Here is the link to the factsheet. Sign-in closes at 6pm tonight. Once the draws are announced they can have their own threads.

https://www.lta.org.uk/globalassets/play/professional-development/documents/lta-wild-card-play-offs-fact-sheet.pdf

Wakey · Junior player

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Does anyone know how many convicted drugs cheats and technicality cases as opposed to what Dan was caught doing are playing this years tournaments? And the match fixing cases. There must be a few in there.

Cilic, Gasquet, Trocki, Sharapova, Errani, wickmayer, Cornet, Lepchenko, Stefkova

Those are the ones I can see on either entry list. Melon will be on the doubles one as well.

No doubt there are more I have missed

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Jaffa tweeting me to say that Sharapova got into qualies last year on ranking (before withdrawing anyway) and not on a WC. Didn't realise that.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Wakey wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Does anyone know how many convicted drugs cheats and technicality cases as opposed to what Dan was caught doing are playing this years tournaments? And the match fixing cases. There must be a few in there.
Cilic, Gasquet, Trocki, Sharapova, Errani, wickmayer, Cornet, Lepchenko, Stefkova
Those are the ones I can see on either entry list. Melon will be on the doubles one as well.
No doubt there are more I have missed

With the best will in the world, one can't stop players qualifying on ranking and then playing.

This is wildcards we're talking about.

Still wrong re Evo though.

Wakey · Junior player

Bob in Spain wrote:
Jaffa tweeting me to say that Sharapova got into qualies last year on ranking (before withdrawing anyway) and not on a WC. Didn't realise that.

Yeah but that was actually her decision, she took the MD WC decision out of Wimbledons hands by saying she didnt want one. I suspect if she hadn't she would have got a main draw wc seeing as Wimbledon decided that She was such a draw that they could charge to watch the qualies

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Wakey wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Jaffa tweeting me to say that Sharapova got into qualies last year on ranking (before withdrawing anyway) and not on a WC. Didn't realise that.
Yeah but that was actually her decision, she took the MD WC decision out of Wimbledons hands by saying she didnt want one. I suspect if she hadn't she would have got a main draw wc seeing as Wimbledon decided that She was such a draw that they could charge to watch the qualies

You may be right, but unfortunately that is just supposition on our part. We will never know the truth but it may be that the AELTC tipped her the wink that they were not going to offer her a WC and so she took her decision not to ask for one on that basis to avoid causing a controversy. The FO refused her a WC although this was heavily criticised by the WTA who said that she "should not be punished further". The same argument certainly works for Evo.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Wakey, perhaps, perhaps not, we'll never know. So we can't really use that against them.

Also, it's not really fair to list people like Cornet as cheats - she failed to be available to provide a specimen but the person responsible for contacting her (the last time) was found to be clearly at fault. That's not a technicality, that's not guilty. If you go down the 'no smoke without fire' path, you'll have everyone being guilty until proven innocent, in all walks of life.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 20th of June 2018 01:33:36 PM

Wakey · Junior player

Coup Droit wrote:
Wakey wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Does anyone know how many convicted drugs cheats and technicality cases as opposed to what Dan was caught doing are playing this years tournaments? And the match fixing cases. There must be a few in there.
Cilic, Gasquet, Trocki, Sharapova, Errani, wickmayer, Cornet, Lepchenko, Stefkova
Those are the ones I can see on either entry list. Melon will be on the doubles one as well.
No doubt there are more I have missed
With the best will in the world, one can't stop players qualifying on ranking and then playing.
This is wildcards we're talking about.
Still wrong re Evo though.

I'm not sure thats true. Tournaments do ban players so if they were being really principled they could ban them (infact wasnt Tarango and maybe even Henmans initially life bans?).

And some of those players listed were caught taking PED's. Also Errani and Cornet are going to have the points and money taken off them once all the legal situation is sorted out so them taking a place is taking the piss.

Jan · Hall of fame

Dan has been playing soooo well. Baffling decision. QWC would have been the way to go if they couldn't bring themselves to give him the MDWC.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

You may know more about the Cornet situation than I do, in which case I take back the previous comment.

But I do not think ATP and WTA tournaments can unilaterally ban someone. Might be different for Grand Slams. Maybe someone knows the rule?

Wakey · Junior player

Coup Droit wrote:
Wakey, perhaps, perhaps not, we'll never know. So we can't really use that against them.

Also, it's not really fair to list people like Cornet as cheats - she failed to be available to provide a specimen but the person responsible for contacting her (the last time) was found to be clearly at fault. That's not a technicality, that's not guilty. If you go down the 'no smoke without fire' path, you'll have everyone being guilty until proven innocent, in all walks of life.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 20th of June 2018 01:33:36 PM

Drugs testers shouldnt have to go around chasing people, thats not their job. Sports people have one job when it comes to drugs testing and thats providing 1 hour every day where you will be in a chosen location. Missing 1 in 12 months Is understandable 3 though either shows she is dumb and deserves a ban or she is intentionally missing it because she is doping (her saying she hasnt ever failed one means nothing, doping done smartly and with some strategic missed tests can allow you to dope and never fail a test) Missing even 1 test let alone 3 is a bigger offence than taking coke yet even when convicted gets you less of a ban

-- Edited by Wakey on Wednesday 20th of June 2018 01:43:17 PM