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So who would we choose of deserving causes then? Given the elitist nature of tennis in the UK maybe they could redress that by giving it to somebody in need of support that might actually push on. But just filling someone in isnt the way forward, maybe some sort of British Tour winner on a points basis perhaps.

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Could have given one to Naiktha - would have been top seed in play offs but missed it as was making Ilkley final. Don't think that would have upset anyone even if she's hardly in great form.

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Is Maia Lumsden in either draw? She has a SR of 258 and recently beat Radwanska who took Heather to three today.



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Is Maia Lumsden in either draw? She has a SR of 258 and recently beat Radwanska who took Heather to three today.


 She is in qualis based on her SE



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Final main draw wildcard has not been allocated so Rebecca Marasova gets in.

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Jaggy1876 wrote:

So who would we choose of deserving causes then? Given the elitist nature of tennis in the UK maybe they could redress that by giving it to somebody in need of support that might actually push on. But just filling someone in isnt the way forward, maybe some sort of British Tour winner on a points basis perhaps.


 Personally I wouldn't give out any wildcards to any player for a grand slam unless they were either coming back from long term physical or mental health issues or from pregnancy.

Entry to the most important 4 tournaments in the year should be on merit and not on what country you live in or represent. 



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HarryGem wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:

So who would we choose of deserving causes then? Given the elitist nature of tennis in the UK maybe they could redress that by giving it to somebody in need of support that might actually push on. But just filling someone in isnt the way forward, maybe some sort of British Tour winner on a points basis perhaps.


 Personally I wouldn't give out any wildcards to any player for a grand slam unless they were either coming back from long term physical or mental health issues or from pregnancy.

Entry to the most important 4 tournaments in the year should be on merit and not on what country you live in or represent. 


I dunno, I think it's a bit like Eurovision - you put the money in, you get some perks. Presumably the ATP/WTA don't bear many of the Wimbledon costs; I don't really have an issue with those who do pay having some discretion. Not least because every tournament everywhere has the same discretion (and the proportionate number of wildcards in a grand slam draw is much less than in, say, a 25k draw). 

That said, it is slightly (very?) absurd that Eden and Anna will 'earn' 10x as much for appearing in Q1 than they did for winning a 25k this year, but would earn 30 less points if they were being awarded. It should be a given that across the system prize money is at least proportionate to points, whatever level they are earned at. 



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As long as the WC system exists, it should be used to it's full. The question of whether WCs should be there for Slams is totally different to how the WCs which do exist should be allocated, in my view (although it usually ends up merged together, with people who don't like the system saying 'they shouldn't be given out to anyone' as a point of principle).

This last wild card for the Main Draw - why would you not give it to Lisicki? Back from a horrible injury, would have been in qualies but can't play as wanted to be in Main Draw of German WTA this week. Former finalist, popular with the crowd. Why not?

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jb288 wrote:
HarryGem wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:

So who would we choose of deserving causes then? Given the elitist nature of tennis in the UK maybe they could redress that by giving it to somebody in need of support that might actually push on. But just filling someone in isnt the way forward, maybe some sort of British Tour winner on a points basis perhaps.


 Personally I wouldn't give out any wildcards to any player for a grand slam unless they were either coming back from long term physical or mental health issues or from pregnancy.

Entry to the most important 4 tournaments in the year should be on merit and not on what country you live in or represent. 


I dunno, I think it's a bit like Eurovision - you put the money in, you get some perks. Presumably the ATP/WTA don't bear many of the Wimbledon costs; I don't really have an issue with those who do pay having some discretion. Not least because every tournament everywhere has the same discretion (and the proportionate number of wildcards in a grand slam draw is much less than in, say, a 25k draw). 

That said, it is slightly (very?) absurd that Eden and Anna will 'earn' 10x as much for appearing in Q1 than they did for winning a 25k this year, but would earn 30 less points if they were being awarded. It should be a given that across the system prize money is at least proportionate to points, whatever level they are earned at. 


 Yes, but that's because the ATP and WTA don't run the Grand Slams - hence all the problems

The Grand Slams don't care how much money the ITFs give - it's completely outside of their interest or competence - in fact, on the contrary, they love the fact that the Grand Slams are privileged events

The ATP and WTA, on the other hand, hate it but they just don't have the money to compete and hence are like ultra poor cousins with no say.

 



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As long as the WC system exists, it should be used to it's full. The question of whether WCs should be there for Slams is totally different to how the WCs which do exist should be allocated, in my view (although it usually ends up merged together, with people who don't like the system saying 'they shouldn't be given out to anyone' as a point of principle).

This last wild card for the Main Draw - why would you not give it to Lisicki? Back from a horrible injury, would have been in qualies but can't play as wanted to be in Main Draw of German WTA this week. Former finalist, popular with the crowd. Why not?


 Yep, I'd whatsapped that to someone at lunchtime - why not Lisicki? 

 



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Sonay and Nell Miller have received a WC I know she has found some success at college but considering Nells highest doubles ranking is 1286 and Sonays is 1066, it seems unfair toward the teams who are much higher ranked and still without a wildcard 



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Well, we've had so many years when they've not given enough doubles wildcards, and just let the next in line in, which is really disgraceful- it's dubs for pity s sake - that I'm glad when any are given
And Nell is a good player - of course she's got a low ranking, she's been at college
And good for Sonay too

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Nell won the NCAA doubles title this year (the first time her university had ever won a national title), so they must have taken that into account. They haven't changed the remaining doubles slots to next direct acceptance yet, so who knows, there might be more to come.

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OK, probably about the least I have said on this particular subject over the years, having long debated the subject and still I am pretty sure being in a minority. But time to indicate support.

So yes, to anyone newish, I absolutely agree with HarryGem that the Slams should not be able to routinely give out MD WCs, but maybe just a couple or so for very particular circumstances. These are the pinnacles of tennis, very different from other events, particularly say ITFs selling themselves to a local audience and helping local players along. I'm not so fussed about Slam Q WCs. If a low ranked player can then qualify, very well done.

IMO this should be for all the Slams. I personally don't look to Wimbleon to unilaterally not award WCs and help its own players. And as folk can see I still very much discuss the WC allocation system as is.

But for the pinnacle of tennis, be there on merit.



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Yeah I won't complain about that wildcard, altough it's odd to not reward the time that made the final. An NCAA title is treated as a big deal in the States, so pleased we are finally recognising it too here. Great opportunity for her.

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