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Week 17 - Challenger ($75,00+H) - Santaizi ATP Challenger, Taipei, Taiwan (carpet)


couldnt get a ticket for Watford today!

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Was just looking to see how many points Dan has to come off before US open Entry deadline, 63 was the answer. So should he win tomorrow that is all he'd need to gain prior to 18th July to get Direct Acceptance.

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Just catching up - well done to Dan, that's great news!

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paulisi wrote:

If Liam gets an automatic place in the Wimbledon qualifying draw, he should get upgraded to main draw. He still has a bit to go


 As you would probably expect I totally disagree with that. Really on the strength of what should he be upgraded to the main draw - and beating an out of form and declining Matosevic doesn't cut for me. If he gets himself into a position where he would make the qualifying draw then he should have to win 3 matches like everyone else - that view just comes across as he's British and he shouldn't have to do that. Well he should because his results and performance haven't been good enough. All he's done this week is beat opponents ranked 629, 445 and 198 (an out of form Weintraub - whose been beaten a number of opponents ranked a lot lower the LB in the last few months. Didn't he lose to someone not even ranked inside the Top 900 last week or the wek before that?). So really if people feel he has had a great week (unless you mean a great week compared to what he has been experiencing recently) then I'm sorry I would have to disagree.

Oh how I would love to get rid of slam MD WCs and all this biasness and favouritism that goes along with it. But I've said that before.



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A131 wrote:
an out of form Weintraub - whose been beaten a number of opponents ranked a lot lower the LB in the last few months. Didn't he lose to someone not even ranked inside the Top 900 last week or the wek before that?)

Of Weintraub's 278 points 148 of them have come in Israel; a challenger QF plus 6 titles and 2 finals in 10K futures. While he isn't a bad player his current ranking flatters him. 



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The point about a home player or anyone else ( for any of the Slams ) making the qualifying cut-off is that I find it much more problematic that they would ever be getting considered for a MD WC if they didn't even have a ranking good enough for qualifying. However, achieving the qualifying cut-off somehow means a home player "should get upgraded to main draw" with an entry point more than a 100 ranking places higher - well no not for me, quelle surprise.

Though in the unfortunate reality of the Slam WC 'systems' / favouritism it may well be enough 



-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 30th of April 2016 01:43:14 PM

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RJA wrote:
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an out of form Weintraub - whose been beaten a number of opponents ranked a lot lower the LB in the last few months. Didn't he lose to someone not even ranked inside the Top 900 last week or the wek before that?)

Of Weintraub's 278 points 148 of them have come in Israel; a challenger QF plus 6 titles and 2 finals in 10K futures. While he isn't a bad player his current ranking flatters him. 


 Thanks for the extra detail RJA - I was wondering how he even managed to get that high.



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TMH wrote:

After THAT match against Nishikori, I thought this moment would come a lot sooner. Injuries really are a cruel bitch, but to rise from 772 to the brink of the top 100 in just shy of 12 months is quite an incredible feat. Whether he does it tomorrow or not, it's only a matter of time now and I'm excited to see what damage he can do on the main tour once that top 100 landmark is reached.


A rise of "Bustaresque" proportions, one might say.

Our old Spanish friend Pablo Carreño Busta has had much the same rankings path as Dan.  Got as high as 133 in 2011, dropped into the 750s through injury in 2012 and then rocketed back up into the Top 100. He went from 750+ in Oct 2012 into the Top 100 in Aug 2013 (ie 10 months).  Now at 24 yo, PCB is ranked at 50, just off a career high of 49.  I would like to think Dan is more than capable of the same sort of level and maybe more.



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RJA wrote:
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an out of form Weintraub - whose been beaten a number of opponents ranked a lot lower the LB in the last few months. Didn't he lose to someone not even ranked inside the Top 900 last week or the wek before that?)

Of Weintraub's 278 points 148 of them have come in Israel; a challenger QF plus 6 titles and 2 finals in 10K futures. While he isn't a bad player his current ranking flatters him. 


 Ok, calm down Ken Livingstone. 



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A131 wrote:
paulisi wrote:

If Liam gets an automatic place in the Wimbledon qualifying draw, he should get upgraded to main draw. He still has a bit to go


 As you would probably expect I totally disagree with that. Really on the strength of what should he be upgraded to the main draw - and beating an out of form and declining Matosevic doesn't cut for me. If he gets himself into a position where he would make the qualifying draw then he should have to win 3 matches like everyone else - that view just comes across as he's British and he shouldn't have to do that. Well he should because his results and performance haven't been good enough. All he's done this week is beat opponents ranked 629, 445 and 198 (an out of form Weintraub - whose been beaten a number of opponents ranked a lot lower the LB in the last few months. Didn't he lose to someone not even ranked inside the Top 900 last week or the wek before that?). So really if people feel he has had a great week (unless you mean a great week compared to what he has been experiencing recently) then I'm sorry I would have to disagree.

Oh how I would love to get rid of slam MD WCs and all this biasness and favouritism that goes along with it. But I've said that before.


 I was reading somewhere, Bogdanovic received 80k from  in prize money from his Wimb WC, that must be like a third or 5th of his career prize money.  I do not think WC should get the first round money. 



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You can disagree with the system but so long as it is there I would far rather give a WC to Liam than to any non British player. All tournaments favor locals and do you really want to help develop the players of another nation with the revenue from your home tournaments?

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You can disagree with the system but so long as it is there I would far rather give a WC to Liam than to any non British player. All tournaments favor locals and do you really want to help develop the players of another nation with the revenue from your home tournaments?


We understand the reality of the err 'system'. And I think it not unlikely that Liam will get a MD WC especially if he achieves the epic feat of reaching the qualifying cut-off. 

But this is not about Liam or British players or who I would prefer to give MD WCs to, it's about I would prefer ALL elite Grand Slam fields to be made up of the best ranked over the year plus qualifiers rather than the best ranked plus qualifiers plus a chosen few largely including their own Australians / French / British / Americans as per the Slam in question.

Again, I am only talking Slam MD WCs. 



-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 30th of April 2016 02:49:52 PM

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Who'd have thought this time last year that Dan would now be just a win away from the top 100?! (he's looking to give us 4 in the ATP singles top 100 for the first time since the late 1970s too!)

Also, 2016 is already the equal best year (equal with last year) for Brits in ATP Challenger singles finals, with 7 - and it's only one-third of the way through the year!

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steven wrote:

Who'd have thought this time last year that Dan would now be just a win away from the top 100?! (he's looking to give us 4 in the ATP singles top 100 for the first time since the late 1970s too!)

Also, 2016 is already the equal best year (equal with last year) for Brits in ATP Challenger singles finals, with 7 - and it's only one-third of the way through the year!


His ranking low point of 772 was the 4th May last year and the following day was the first match of his comeback at a 10K futures in Egypt. To make it to the top 100 in dead on 52 weeks would be nice and neat. 



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Would be very neat indeed. 4 guys in the top 100 and 3 girls would be great to see. And in general their year to date is better than than these overall year rankings.

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