And we have another ! 

Final:  (8) Lloyd Glasspool WR 556 defeated (5) Roberto Ortega (ESP) WR 355 by 3 & 4

Lloyd went an early break up in the second set, but Ortega recovered it.  He then weathered a bit of a storm in subsequent service games before breaking the Spaniard again, that time decisively, & converting his fifth match point.    

The Optimist wrote:

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Calm down Bob, calm down!

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Martin Weston is there with a few. The picture he tweeted included Emma Raducanu, not sure on the rest.

Coup Droit wrote:

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I'm a big fan of both (although have only seen Lloyd play on livestream).

But there's a big difference in the maths of their predicted rankings (although it may prove to be immaterial, of course).

Lloyd's ranking is quite clearly false.

He played zero counting tournaments in the first half of the year; his first event was in July.

Now, the first six months might be slightly harder in level, as paulisi says, but it's a small difference.

So his ranking points so far are only based on 5 1/2 months of events.

Thus, you have to pro-rata them up to get a reflection of what his true ranking is.

(Now, it won't be a one-for-one correlation - leaving aside unpredicatabilities such as injuries, it might be that he now tries higher events and it's harder, or that he can't keep up the momentum on a full-year basis. Of course, it could be the other way too, in that he's learning the 'trade' of the ITF tour and therefore getting better and better, on a relative basis.).

But anyone who is using a 12-month ranking based on 6-month of results is obviously under-ranked. Nothing to do with 'getting better', 'making progress', or 'being on an upward trend' - it's just wrong.

However, Evan has played a full year. And, yes, he may have had some leftover injury problems. Or whatever. But that's normal. And he's clearly hit a lovely run of form, and long may it continue.

But his ranking is a 12-month one, and therefore a true one, and any improvements in it will be due to him having to play better (or keep playing as well as he is now, and not return to how he was playing 6 months ago). Unlike Lloyd.

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I have been looking at various ranking figures related to various estimations of future projected rankings for Lloyd, Evan and Luke, and I would agree with CD that Lloyd is clearly underranked with all his points having come in the second half of this year.

As he also says, Evan's points ( and Luke is similar ) are based on a whole year, although with both by far the majority of points have been gained since the midpoint of this year.

Looking at their projected points on 14/12 ( ie. with all their recent points added in ) :

Lloyd : 78 points from 10 counters ( all since week 27 ). This should have him at about WR 493 on 14/12.

Evan : 57 points from 11 counters ( 54 from 8 from week 27 ). This should have him at about WR 575 on 14/12.

Luke : 57 points from 12 counters ( 42 from 9 from week 27 ). Again, this should have him at about WR 575 on 14/12.

Looking at points for various current WRs :

WR  250 - 206 points, WR 300 - 167, WR 350 - 131, WR 400 - 107 ...

I can certainly see how top 300 and beyond for Lloyd next year looks on as a very reasonable goal ( just doubling his current points takes him not far off that current WR 300 mark and hopefully he will continue on the up ).

For Evan and Luke though, top 300 ( currently 167 points ) next year looks to me a really tough call. If they got to around WR 350 ( currently 131 points ) I think that would be excellent and WR 400 ( currently 107 points ) would be not bad progress at all for a full year's ranking for two players yet to break into the top 500.

But the higher the better for all  

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 7th of December 2015 11:41:55 PM

To be honest I think Evan will just pleased to have played some tennis! It needs at least 18 months post significant injury before a player is even close to where they would've been uninjured I would consider him undernaked for all the right reasons.

Lloyd is different I am still to get a handle on how to judge what is an all together different transition ie the college to pro tour transition.

He was at a strong college playing the best that "tour" had to offer and he was performing well by his senior year. His pro ranking is already better than his junior ranking where he was competitive at grade 4. With a junior rank >600 he was by no means an elite junior, but he would be classified a top college player maybe the best college doubles player. To put in context he has come into the ITF off a flyier winning the NCAA doubles in his last game of college tennis. Something a UT team have not achieved for 71 yrs (I see parallels). At 22 he's probably got another couple of years giving the singles tour his best shot but there is the pedigree to make more than a few kids playing doubles. I think the constant reference to grit and determination and performances in the clutch in the reports on his college career are very promising.

Despite concerns that his nose maybe blue i wish him well and perhaps the next James Ward has just revealed himself?