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thejester


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I don't think they were actually match point down but they certainly had to recover a mini-break at the business end of that MTB. It was bloody tense stuff, really glad they were able to come through that one. How great would it be to see them end their partnership on a high at the o2?!

 You know what it is? I completely forgot they were playing to 10. I thought each point after 6-5 was a match point that each team kept on saving until the one at 10-9. Turns out that was merely the second MP. Ha.

I can relate to that, I didn't even realise they were playing an MTB at first! I came back at 2-1 to J+J and thought wow, those 3 games went quickly confuse



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thejester wroteso relevant to the GB crowd (yet) but Novak just mullered Nishikori 1 and 1, losing 9 service pts in the process. Good luck to anyone getting anywhere near him!

 Interestingly Murray 'beat' him 5-2 in a recent warm-up match where apparently both were treating it, ahem, a bit more seriously than a mere warm-up. Has no relevance on anything really but I found it interesting nonetheless.

 where did u find that tid bit out?!



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Was following via twitter at the time.

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Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser
They could be playing the final of the tournament out here. Three games in and already some ridiculous points. No quarter given...


Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser
Practice set ends at Murray 5-2* Djokovic as Zimonjic and Matkowski have booked the court for 4pm. Now looking for a Greenwich park court...

https://twitter.com/stu_fraser/status/665560561950789634



-- Edited by TMH on Sunday 15th of November 2015 07:35:04 PM

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Bopanna & Mergea have beaten the Bryans 6-4 6-3 in Jamie & John's group.

I assume that J & J will now meet Bopanna & Mergea in their second match.

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Is the Bryan Bros domination over? They are having a very average year.

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paulisi wrote:

Is the Bryan Bros domination over? They are having a very average year.

 Only average by their outrageous standards, but I know what you mean!



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I know that Mr Murray and Mr Peers still had the possibility of being world no 1 at the end of the year when the Tour Finals started. Bopanna and Mergea beating the Bryans presumably helped their cause; Rojer and Tecau beating Matkowski and Zimonjic, and Dodig and Melo beating Mahut and Herbert presumably did not help it. Does anyone with greater mathematical aptitude than I know what the permutations and combinations are that would allow them to be no 1? Or no 2? (I rather like the idea of the two brothers finishing with the same ranking if they can't be no 1)

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Looking at the doubles race rankings, I was rather confused that both the Bryans and Rojer & Tecau's race points were more than their individual points I could see them being less ( you might sometimes have different partners - that's where Melo scores so much more individually ), but more ?

Think I've sussed it out, they just apparently count all points pairs win together for the race, no 'best 18', which for the individual doubles rankings includes the WTF. Adding relevant individual non counters I can get their race totals. And yay that all ties up for J & J too.

All this means the answer to Spectator's question re Murray & Peers ending number one pair is easier than I imagined - just add on WTF points. Although as I now discover, still a bit involved after just one group game for everyone.

We have going into the WTF :
1. Bryan & Bryan : 6465
2. Rojer & Tecau : 6400
3. Dodig & Melo : 6140
4. Murray & Peers : 5635

To be number 1, it certainly appears a minimum requirement will be J & J win the tournament, since the max they could get as runners up is 1000 points, taking them to 6635, but now Rojer & Tecau ( 6600 ) and the Bryans ( 6465 ) are within one 200 point win of that.

Let's as one scenario look to J & J winning the title unbeaten, therefore adding 1500 points to their total so 7135, then :

If they got to that max 7135 points they couldn't finish number 1 if either Rojer & Tecau or Dodig & Melo came through the other group unbeaten and went on to the final since that would give them 1000 points, ie
Rojer & Tecau : 6400 + 1000 = 7400
Dodig & Melo : 6140 + 1000 = 7140.
So to that extent it is out of their hands.

What would work and is a realistic if unlikely scenario is winning the title unbeaten and neither of these pairs reaching the final. Even if the Bryans squeezed through with one group win ( assuming losing to J & J in addition to their opening loss ) their total addition then would be 600, giving them 7065 points, so less than J & J's 7135.

Other scenarios are possible



-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 17th of November 2015 01:05:13 AM

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Thank you, Indiana! Much appreciated.

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J and J up and running, sadly, 0-3 down against Bopanna and Mergea.



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lost 1st set 6-3, a break down in 2nd set 3-4.



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broken back to make it 4-4.



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now 6-5*



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looked away for 2 minutes! tiebreak. 3-4*  J and J winning.



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The boys go down 7-5 in the TB

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