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There's only 20 in the top-500 now in the men's

It's looking pretty skinny - Hamish is on 499 and may well drop out in the next few weeks

That said, there's a few hopefuls, as always, who are close to breaking through (or back through)

Ali Gray, Henry Searle are obvious candidates. Further afield, Toby Samuel is back in the entry lists, and there are others who clearly have the potential as they've been there before

But, overall, looking stable at 20, give or take one, not particularly rosy

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Liam will drop out this week so down to 19.

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Or will he!

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Coup Droit wrote:

There's only 20 in the top-500 now in the men's

It's looking pretty skinny - Hamish is on 499 and may well drop out in the next few weeks

That said, there's a few hopefuls, as always, who are close to breaking through (or back through)

Ali Gray, Henry Searle are obvious candidates. Further afield, Toby Samuel is back in the entry lists, and there are others who clearly have the potential as they've been there before

But, overall, looking stable at 20, give or take one, not particularly rosy


 The live rankings show us as down to 18 in the top 500 now - and 7 in the top 250. 

Might be time to renew the battle of the 20/500 v 10/250 for 2025 and remotivate the players!!

Seriously, it feels like there is a big changing of the guard going on, and we can could find we are away from those numbers for a while, particularly the top 250 number feels a long way off



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Do the atp  not bring out the new rankings until the whole Shanghai tournament is completed?



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miriam abc wrote:

Do the atp  not bring out the new rankings until the whole Shanghai tournament is completed?


 I think not, a bit like for when IW or Miami are taking place 



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Yes, with no ATP 07/10 rankings update due to Shanghai we have 19 in the top 500 at 30/09, and then, as Jon says, live 18 for 14/10 with Hamish S dropping out.

With WR 500 being on 78 points, Liam could also drop out in the following 2 weeks. He is on 84 points but has 6 points to drop on 21/10 and a further 9 points on. 28/10. Got to think though that reasonably fit and well he will get back considerably higher up the rankings.



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There are a few other men capable off breaking into the top 500 very soon.
Ali Gray, Henry Searle. Hamish Stewart, Ryan Peniston, Stuart Parker, George Loffhagen, Emil Hudd and Max Basing

I would say 20 in top 500 will happen again very shortly, 10 in the top 250 is a bit more difficult.

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There are a few other men capable off breaking into the top 500 very soon.
Ali Gray, Henry Searle. Hamish Stewart, Ryan Peniston, Stuart Parker, George Loffhagen, Emil Hudd and Max Basing

I would say 20 in top 500 will happen again very shortly, 10 in the top 250 is a bit more difficult.


 Maybe ( hopefully! ) Ryan will be back in soon and Liam, if he falls out, also back in fairly quickly. Clearly they have the ability and the history.

Otherwise, I think you are again being quite a bit over-optimistic re our men's top 500 prospects. Great if 20 does happen, but it might well not. IMO maybe not this year anyway and could be at least well into next year if next year at all.



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 9th of October 2024 06:12:16 PM



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Yes, I do think we've rather been here before

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indiana wrote:
paulisi wrote:

There are a few other men capable off breaking into the top 500 very soon.
Ali Gray, Henry Searle. Hamish Stewart, Ryan Peniston, Stuart Parker, George Loffhagen, Emil Hudd and Max Basing

I would say 20 in top 500 will happen again very shortly, 10 in the top 250 is a bit more difficult.


 Maybe ( hopefully! ) Ryan will be back in soon and Liam, if he falls out, also back in fairly quickly. Clearly they have the ability and the history.

Otherwise, I think you are again being quite a bit over-optimistic re our men's top 500 prospects. Great if 20 does happen, but it might well not. IMO maybe not this year anyway and could be at least well into next year if next year at all.



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 9th of October 2024 06:12:16 PM


 My assessment is with you, Indy, I dont see it happening - each one maybe individually could stand a chance (some more than others) but as a group, it wont happen again for a while, I reckon

Been here before, as CD says! 



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I think a lot may be down to Liam and Ryan. If both of them are top 500 then it really just needs one more. So yes I can see that it could well happen but it might well not.

And Ryan doesn't appear to have entries in the next couple of weeks at least?



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Absolutely - I'm not disagreeing with paulisi - there's a very good chance it'll happen

But my point was, as we saw last time, it was on the cards, it was happening, and then there was always a last minute hiccup which dragged it out for AGES

Also, saying there's a few more likely to make the top-500 is ignoring the ones about to fall out

Without steven's excellent tables (from 6 years ago ) I'm not quite sure about the others who are falling

I know Kyle has his M25 finalist points from last October coming off - not sure if that's in the live rankings

And Aidan had a Challenger QF spot last autumn

**Most likely, though, surely is Giles Hussey - he had tons of points last autumn and doesn't seem to be playing now - he must be out of the top-500 soon

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Ryan, Hamish and Henry have all lost points this week, and backed off from threatening the top-500

Arthur and Felix have big drops too

Still 18 in the top-500 as it stands

(Just to point out, France now has 26 in the top-200 - it's always been good but it's suddenly exploded)

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Ryan P's Greece M25 title last week should have us back up to 19 in the top 500 on Monday 11/11 with our #20 showing as live ranked 504.

#19. Aidan M - live ranked 498 on 78 points
#20. Alistair G - live ranked 504 on 76 points
#21. Henry S - live ranked 514 on74 points


For the following week, 18/11, Ryan has points to drop and has exited in this week's M25 at R2 so he will be due to drop back out of the top 500. Ali G has exited at R1 in his Canada M25 this week and is due to drop 1 point though he apparently has a challenger entry next week, as does Henry.



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