Week 39 - Challenger (€106,500), Orleans, France (Hard, Indoor)

indiana · Tennis legend

RE: Week 39 - Challenger (€106,500), Orleans, France (Hard, Indoor)

indiana · Tennis legend

6-6, tiebreak

indiana · Tennis legend

Ah, after a serve dominated match they lost every point on their serve in the TB, losing it 7-2.

indiana · Tennis legend

Final: (1) Ken Skupski & Neal Skupski CR 243 (117+126) lost to (2) Tristan Lamasine & Fabrice Martin (FRA/FRA) CR 280 (202+78) 6-4 7-6(2)

emma · Strong Club Player

Ratty wrote:
emma wrote:

as far as I remember James has a pattern where he goes up in rankings then falls back and then starts rising again eventually going higher than before. and so on. so as far as his form is concerned maybe nothing to worry about.
As always I am awestruck by humans' ability to find signals in the noise, but I am struggling to spot this supposed pattern. Possibly because there isn't one?

sorry Ratty, have only just seen this. not sure what you're trying to say though. I'm not referring to a divine pattern which is quite different and wonderfully unique and magical. how wonderful life is when it is full of synchronicities and coincidences as the great man Jung wrote about. I guess we all perceive life differently which is fine.

well I still stand by what I said about James.

steven · Tennis legend

emma wrote:
Ratty wrote:
emma wrote:

as far as I remember James has a pattern where he goes up in rankings then falls back and then starts rising again eventually going higher than before. and so on. so as far as his form is concerned maybe nothing to worry about.
As always I am awestruck by humans' ability to find signals in the noise, but I am struggling to spot this supposed pattern. Possibly because there isn't one?

sorry Ratty, have only just seen this. not sure what you're trying to say though.   I'm not referring to a divine pattern which is quite different and wonderfully unique and magical. how wonderful life is when it is full of synchronicities and coincidences as the great man Jung wrote about. I guess we all perceive life differently which is fine.
well I still stand by what I said about James.

All players' ranking go up and down in cycles, though it isn't necessarily that strongly correlated with recent form because of the way the ranking system works on a 52-week rolling basis.

I guess what Emma means is that James has fallen away 100+ places more than once before yet managed to recover to new highs (see 'quick and dirty' chart below using his rankings history on the ATP site), whether drops and recoveries this big are at all unusual for players who end up in the top 100 or not is hard to tell without doing a bit more research.

emma · Strong Club Player

steven wrote:
emma wrote:
Ratty wrote:
emma wrote:

as far as I remember James has a pattern where he goes up in rankings then falls back and then starts rising again eventually going higher than before. and so on. so as far as his form is concerned maybe nothing to worry about.
As always I am awestruck by humans' ability to find signals in the noise, but I am struggling to spot this supposed pattern. Possibly because there isn't one?

sorry Ratty, have only just seen this. not sure what you're trying to say though.   I'm not referring to a divine pattern which is quite different and wonderfully unique and magical. how wonderful life is when it is full of synchronicities and coincidences as the great man Jung wrote about. I guess we all perceive life differently which is fine.
well I still stand by what I said about James.

All players' ranking go up and down in cycles, though it isn't necessarily that strongly correlated with recent form because of the way the ranking system works on a 52-week rolling basis.
I guess what Emma means is that James has fallen away 100+ places more than once before yet managed to recover to new highs (see 'quick and dirty' chart below using his rankings history on the ATP site), whether drops and recoveries this big are at all unusual for players who end up in the top 100 or not is hard to tell without doing a bit more research.

oh yes, thank you steven that's exactly what I mean :)

indiana · Tennis legend

Very Reasonable Observation 1 Random Noise 0

Ratty · County player

Er, well, um ... blankstare

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Steven, your graph is a thing of beauty and shows how hard James has worked at his game over the last 7 years. If he were to drink at the fountain of eternal youth, your lines are not quite parallel and a of best fit skilfully and meticulously applied with the edge of my mobile phone would suggest he should peak just inside the top 50 in his late 30's. All is not lost!

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 4th of October 2015 09:58:01 PM