Week 39 - WTA Premier 5 - Wuhan, China - Hard

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

RE: Week 39 - WTA Premier 5 - Wuhan, China - Hard

philwrig · Hall of fame

AliBlahBlah wrote:
philwrig wrote:
Been bugging me all day, but does anyone know why their previous meeting at the Fed Cup is not included in their official H2H stats.
I believe the WTA don't count Fed Cup as no rankings points are at stake, same with Hopman Cup.
They do however count the Olympics, because points are at stake.

Thanks for the explanation, I did wonder whether it was because it wasn't played in the World group or something like that. It's annoying as the commentators start the match by saying neither player knows what to expect because they haven't played each other, and of course they actually have.

-- Edited by philwrig on Wednesday 30th of September 2015 09:34:09 PM

Grachka · County player

philwrig wrote:
AliBlahBlah wrote:
philwrig wrote:
Been bugging me all day, but does anyone know why their previous meeting at the Fed Cup is not included in their official H2H stats.
I believe the WTA don't count Fed Cup as no rankings points are at stake, same with Hopman Cup.
They do however count the Olympics, because points are at stake.
Thanks for the explanation, I did wonder whether it was because it wasn't played in the World group or something like that. It's annoying as the commentators start the match by saying neither player knows what to expect because they haven't played each other, and of course they actually have.

-- Edited by philwrig on Wednesday 30th of September 2015 09:34:09 PM

They do include it on the website (at least in some cases)...for instance, Kimiko's only win over Graf s included in their official H2H. However, they may not include matches below World Group level, so Jo's previous meeting might not be up to scratch.

philwrig · Hall of fame

Grachka wrote:
philwrig wrote:
AliBlahBlah wrote:
philwrig wrote:
Been bugging me all day, but does anyone know why their previous meeting at the Fed Cup is not included in their official H2H stats.
I believe the WTA don't count Fed Cup as no rankings points are at stake, same with Hopman Cup.
They do however count the Olympics, because points are at stake.
Thanks for the explanation, I did wonder whether it was because it wasn't played in the World group or something like that. It's annoying as the commentators start the match by saying neither player knows what to expect because they haven't played each other, and of course they actually have.

-- Edited by philwrig on Wednesday 30th of September 2015 09:34:09 PM
They do include it on the website (at least in some cases)...for instance, Kimiko's only win over Graf s included in their official H2H. However, they may not include matches below World Group level, so Jo's previous meeting might not be up to scratch.

Thanks, I kind of do remember seeing Fed Cup matches in H2H records before, but as you say as its below WG level, that may be the answer.

cwej · Lower Club Player

Sim wrote:
Julia Carrot wrote:
According to the BBC Johanna has twice beaten someone called Sabine Muguruza. We must have missed that one
Also in the same article Naomi Broady might be a little surprised that she has been replaced as GB no. 3 by Laura Robson.

Probably will happen next year but not today.

I'm actually not convinced it will. Naomi is playing the better tennis at the moment of the two of them and has a head-start in most tournaments in terms of seeding because of her ranking being so much higher. I feel Naomi will be top 100 this time next year I'm not convinced Laura will be.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

I tend not to wander into this part of the forum too often, but I was just reading an article on Jo's latest successes on the BBC website. It has probably been discussed here many times before, but this paragraph jumped out at me.

The improvement has come since the Lawn Tennis Association cut her funding last year, prompting Konta to relocate her training base to northern Spain under the guidance of coaches Esteban Carril and Jose-Manuel Garcia.

Another glowing tribute for the LTA - NOT.

Full article here

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/tennis/34405332

gjr · Club Coach

Morning, afternoon, evening all,

Been ages since I been on these forums but had to read this thread.

My very presence has probably jinxed Jo but I don't believe in such things.

Onwards and upwards.

Venus appears to be on an upward trend from what I remember but I'm sure Jo can do it.

rebel_rebel · Lower Club Player

I'm a big fan of Venus, but Jo, you can do this!

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Why is it all of our players that have done well have trained abroad or had rows with the LTA? I know what my conclusion is!

Wakey · Junior player

Bob in Spain wrote:
I tend not to wander into this part of the forum too often, but I was just reading an article on Jo's latest successes on the BBC website. It has probably been discussed here many times before, but this paragraph jumped out at me.

The improvement has come since the Lawn Tennis Association cut her funding last year, prompting Konta to relocate her training base to northern Spain under the guidance of coaches Esteban Carril and Jose-Manuel Garcia.
Another glowing tribute for the LTA - NOT.
Full article here
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/tennis/34405332

To be fair to the LTA this is exactly why they cut funding so they couldn't just stroll along and make a living without really pushing themselves. So they would probably look at it as being a glowing tribute to their policy as you could say Jo is proving tough love works even if one player in reality doesn't actually prove anything

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes, Wakey. I'm afraid you're right. The LTA will simply claim credit.

To me though, it's nothing to do with funding (or not really) and all to do with coaching teams. So much money has been spent on providing (and constantly changing) LTA-funded teams to our top players, with so little success - the only player who seems to have come through relatively successfully (unscathed?) is Kyle.

So, yes, the LTA may well have done JoKo a favour - but not intentionally and not until having spent a large amount of money on getting it largely wrong.

TennisLover · Strong Club Player

Helen40 wrote:
Why is it all of our players that have done well have trained abroad or had rows with the LTA? I know what my conclusion is!

Because the LTA puts players in a straightjacket .

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

Meanwhile back on the matchcourt...Jo v Venus should be up soon with Vinci awaiting the winner :)

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, to me with Jo, it is very much about her finding and working with the right people, the right people for her.

thejester · Satellite level

As an aside, it was mentioned on BT yesterday the difference in career earnings between Simona ($10m+) and Jo (just under $800k)
If they thought that was a gulf, this Venus lass isn't short of a bob or two

Anyway, business time - COME ON JO!!!