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Girls: Nike Junior Nationals (U12/U14/U16/U18) - Week 33


The nationals start today for the under 14s and under 18s in Nottingham, with the under 16s beginning on Monday (with some players competing additionally in the under 14s or under 18s). The under 12s start tomorrow in Bournemouth. The under 12s are strong, including the trio who reached the European Summer Cups finals (though no Holly Fischer). Similarly for the under 14s which started today, with all the seeds (including Gemma Heath and Esther Adeshina) enjoying straight-sets wins today. The under 16s and under 18s are woefully short of top players, with Anna Loughlan and Jasmine Asghar the top seeds. Jasmine was tested in round 1 by Alice Gillan, a recent finalist in an Irish G5, coming through 6-3 7-6(6)

Under 12: http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=C04F24FC-23C4-4B04-A5B2-83CB2CD71BE5&draw=2

Under 14: http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=EB5051F5-AB45-4AC0-A8E1-9B77C4B01B7C&draw=16

Under 16  http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=EB5051F5-AB45-4AC0-A8E1-9B77C4B01B7C&draw=6

Under 18: http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=EB5051F5-AB45-4AC0-A8E1-9B77C4B01B7C&draw=10



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-- Edited by Hilda on Monday 17th of August 2015 07:19:24 AM

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Hi Hilda, welcome. Your first line question is simply not based on general fact. I'll expand ...

This forum is a collection of individuals, all with their own particular interests, from very general to more focus on say GB men, women, juniors or doubles, and indeed many people will have their own particular favourite players and write more about them, for whatever reasons. Fortunately we end up I'd say covering the wide spectrum very well, but there is no guiding hand as it were, and I'd say certainly no interest on any sort of general level of promoting "LTA favourites" over others. On straightforward tournament result reporting there is no sort of general agenda.

Put another way, we are an openly available discussion forum, not some publication based on "fairness" though I actually think "fairness" is overall generally achieved just by the range of members contributing, and it's good when anyone helps add perceived missing information.

There is indeed often admiration of many players who go their own way and very certainly a range of views on LTA regimes and policies, past and present, often very critical by some.

I am sure most folk welcome hearing more about players that some may feel have been missed and / or deserve more attention, so thanks.

Note - I have used the word "general" / "generally" a lot there, because we are that group of separate individuals so no way do I speak for all folk, all posts or all threads, but I hope I've given more of a "general" feel.



-- Edited by indiana on Monday 17th of August 2015 12:39:37 AM

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I assure folk that my post made sense in context when I wrote it, since there was then rather more substance to Hilda's post

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-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Monday 17th of August 2015 07:34:53 AM

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I was gonna say. LOL

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Seven of the eight under 14 seeds have made the quarters, with just seventh seed Lauren Armstrong (former Auray semi-finalist) ousted by Sonay Kartal. In the under 18s Holly Hutchinson knocked out second seed Serena Nash while Megan Davies and Ellie-Rose Griffiths reached the quarters at the expense of 4th seed Anna Loughlan and 5th seed Emily Appleton

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It will be interesting to see how some of the top U14 s go against the U16 s tomorrow?

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Lauryn John-Baptiste upset Jasmine in the under 18s but found playing two tournaments difficult, and lost to Megan Forster in the under 16s. The top under 14s progressed in their event but lost out in the under 16s

U18 SF

(6) Lauryn John-Baptiste v (8) Nell Miller
(3) Florence Abbott v Holly Hutchinson

U14 SF

(1) Gemma Heath v (3) Esther Adeshina
(4) Victoria Allen v (6) Olivia Elliott

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No major surprises in the under 12s as the European Summer Cup team all make the semis, while Megan Forster continued her run in the under 16s

U12 SF

(1) Tiana Fox v (4) Kylie Bilchev
(3) Amelia Bissett v (2) Mj Changwereza

U16 SF

(8) Camille Verden-Anderson v (5) Ellie-Rose Griffiths
Megan Forster v (2) Emily Appleton

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Victoria had an emphatic win to reach a final against Gemma in the under 14s. Florence, who plays very little on the ITF circuit, edged past Holly to set up an under 18 final against Lauryn

U18 SF

(6) Lauryn John-Baptiste d. (8) Nell Miller 6-4 6-2
(3) Florence Abbott d. Holly Hutchinson 5-7 6-3 6-4

F

(6) Lauryn John-Baptiste v (3) Florence Abbott

U14 SF

(1) Gemma Heath d. (3) Esther Adeshina 7-6(4) rtd
(4) Victoria Allen d. (6) Olivia Elliott 6-0 6-0

F

(1) Gemma Heath v (4) Victoria Allen


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Seems a bit odd how the seeding panned out in the under 14's doesn't number 1 play 4 with 2 playing 3,

it negates the value of the seedings for seeds 1 and 3 in the semifinal if 1 plays 3 and 4 plays 2 ie the most advantaged player with easiest run to the final is the 2nd seed and the 3rd seed has a tougher run than the 4th.

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Oakland2002 wrote:

Seems a bit odd how the seeding panned out in the under 14's doesn't number 1 play 4 with 2 playing 3,

it negates the value of the seedings for seeds 1 and 3 in the semifinal if 1 plays 3 and 4 plays 2 ie the most advantaged player with easiest run to the final is the 2nd seed and the 3rd seed has a tougher run than the 4th.


 

But it's standard practice in tennis, certainly in seniors it's how it is and I've always assumed in juniors too, to randomly allocate seeds 3 and 4 to either half of the draw, and for as long as I can remember.

e.g. in the US Open Novak could get seed 3 or 4 in his half. 

Say, and this is admittedly more likely in top seniors, you had a no 4 established in that position for a while ( I think Andy had such a period ), I wouldn't want the certainty that they'ed always be in the no 1 seed's half for Slams and Masters with seeds 2 and 3 in the other half.



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 19th of August 2015 08:34:55 PM

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Thanks for that, it just seemed odd. But your explanation very plausible, it still seems to undermine the whole concept of seeding and I remain deeply troubled shame as in the U14's the 1st and 3rd seed seemed so closely matched re progress to the semis. The semi itself also looked pretty close up to the retirement of the 3 rd seed.

I really like the McIntyre play off system used in Aussie Rules and league makes for more games but you get definitive rankings 1,2,3,4 no nonsense play off game for bronze, would be good for the Olympics.



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Gemma, successful in recent ITFs claimed the under 14s whilst Lauryn took the under 18 title

U18 F

(6) Lauryn John-Baptiste d. (3) Florence Abbott 6-2 6-1

U14 F

(1) Gemma Heath d. (4) Victoria Allen 6-4 6-3

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