Week 33 - ATP 1000 - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, OH, USA (hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Week 33 - ATP 1000 - Western & Southern Open, Cincinnati, OH, USA (hard)

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Re Djoko, that is not how I read it. Novak is in the top half and Andy in the bottom.

Likely route to final.

R1 Bye
R2 Fish/Troicki
R3 Dimitrov
QF Cilic
SF Federer/Nadal
F Djokovic

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
Re Djoko, that is not how I read it. Novak is in the top half and Andy in the bottom.

Sorry, Bob, you're quite right. The seeds in Andy's half are Rog (2), Cilic (7), Rafa (8), Raonic (9), Anderson (15), Gasquet (12), Anderson (15) & Dimi (16). Don't know how I managed to screw that up so badly! The odious Prize Plonker's still in the mix, though: he plays Gasquet in the first round. wink Allez, Richard...

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

Here's hoping Andy gets to the final then and makes the world #2 spot more securely his own :)

indiana · Tennis legend

Credit to Mardy Fish with all he's gone through. He beats Troicki 6-2 6-2

R2/L32 : (3) Andy Murray WR 2 vs (WC) Mardy Fish (USA) WR 1034 (CH 7 08/11)

H2H is 4-4 ( hard 3-3, grass 1-1 ) with Mardy winning 3 of the last 4 ( these 3 being in 2010 ) and their very first meeting in 2005. Their last two meetings have been at Cincinnati, Mardy winning their 2010 QF 6-7(7) 6-1 7-6(5), Andy winning their 2011 SF 6-3 7-6(8)

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 17th of August 2015 05:04:30 PM

savva0122 · Intermediate Club Player

Can't see Mardy signing off with a positive score vs. Andy.
Hopefully Andy can have a good run here too.
Would be interesting if he met Fed in the semi, although I think Fed would need to win the final to go back to number 2?

BeefyDeedz · Pro player

I like Mardy and his return story, and I wouldn't really begrudge him a victory (or the 5-4 victory), but I think that this is an excellent opportunity for Andy to push on even more and hopefully get a crack at Roger on the hard.

TMH · Futures qualifying

I can see a defeat to Dimitrov in the 3rd round if he's not 100%. You'd hope he'd be fit enough to play these two weeks without fatigue though.

indiana · Tennis legend

Andy vs Mardy is on Grandstand at not before 7 pm local, midnight BST ( plenty clearance that it should be on time if no interruptions ).

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

savva0122 wrote:
[...] although I think Fed would need to win the final to go back to number 2?

No. In an article in yesterday's Times reflecting on the implications of Andy's victory in Montréal & entitled "Victory over Djokovic gives Murray hope for US Open", Paul Forsyth writes as follows:

The peculiarities of the ranking system are such that, whatever Roger Federer - the defending champion - does in Cincinnati, he will not reclaim his No 2 spot, the significance of which is that Murray cannot meet Djokovic until the final of the US Open.

It does mean, of course, that he could still have to face Rog in the later stages...

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
The odious Prize Plonker's still in the mix, though: he plays Gasquet in the first round. Allez, Richard...

Merci de m'avoir écoutée, Richard! biggrin

indiana · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
savva0122 wrote:
[...] although I think Fed would need to win the final to go back to number 2?
No. In an article in yesterday's Times reflecting on the implications of Andy's victory in Montréal & entitled "Victory over Djokovic gives Murray hope for US Open", Paul Forsyth writes as follows:
The peculiarities of the ranking system are such that, whatever Roger Federer - the defending champion - does in Cincinnati, he will not reclaim his No 2 spot, the significance of which is that Murray cannot meet Djokovic until the final of the US Open.
It does mean, of course, that he could still have to face Rog in the later stages...

I'll stick my neck out and say that that's mince from the Times.

Andy is 595 points ahead of Roger in this week's rankings.

With Cincinnati being a week later this year, Roger has already had his 1000 title points from Cincinnati last year off ( and Andy his 180 ). The calendar change may be their issue.

This year's Cincinnati will now replace their lowest non compulsory counter ( Andy 180, Roger 0 ).

Points next Monday :

Andy : 8660 - 180 + this week

Roger : 8065 - 0 + this week.

Roger, being 595 points behind ( net 415 ) can certainly overtake Andy for WR 2 next Monday and US Open number 2 seeding. And indeed will do so if he wins the 1000 title points, since Andy, being in his half of the draw, would then have scored 360 points maximum.

Indeed, the final ( 600 points ) would actually be enough for Roger if Andy went out at the QF stage ( 180 points ) or before.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 19th of August 2015 07:21:30 PM

TMH · Futures qualifying

Yeah, Mr Forsyth needs to check his facts.

-- Edited by TMH on Wednesday 19th of August 2015 08:48:32 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

As I suggested, I think that Mr Forsyth has got caught out by the date change.

Unfortunate, but if you are going to come out with such clear statements as that it probably pays just to make quite sure !

He quotes Fed as "the defending champion", which he is, but he is not defending these points this week ( if he had been, yes he couldn't have gained ). But last year's points are already off, which is partly how Andy got so far ahead in the first place ( Andy's Montreal win combined with Fed's Cincinnati points coming off last week ).

While I'm not in principle against taking the same 1,000 points off Roger two weeks in a row, I'm thinking that that's not how the ATP will go

The "peculiarities of the ranking system" have done for Mr Forsyth

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 20th of August 2015 01:09:05 AM

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