Week 27 - Great Britain F6 ($15,000) - Frinton (Grass)

paulisi · Tennis legend

Week 27 - Great Britain F6 ($15,000) - Frinton (Grass)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Does slightly make you wonder about Otto's claim (and that of others) that we need tons more events for our players . . .

As you say, there's over a dozen byes in the first Q round.

Joe Salisbury is off to Korea for the World University Games:

"Joe Salisbury ‏@joesalisbury92 Jun 28

All set and ready to go to South Korea for the #Worlduniversitygames #Gwangju2015 #TeamGB #Memphis"

Good luck to him, and any other of your players.

I guess it's just possible that Bambo and Ed didn't enter because they thought they might still be in the Wimbly doubles?

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
Qualifying starts today and it's not particularly full.
http://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/tournaments/men's-tournament/info.aspx?tournamentid=1100034842

That link doesn't work, Paul. I hope this one will.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

It's also clashing with Wimbledon juniors so one would imagine the juniors likely to benefit from stepping up would be otherwise engaged

BradMarx90 · County player

Full Q draw coming up...

BradMarx90 · County player

QR1: Isaac Stoute UNR vs Nicholas Nugent UNR
QR1: (qWC) David Fox UNR vs Osgar O'Hoisin (IRL) UNR
QR1: J. Praditngam UNR vs BYE

QR1: (q2) Joshua Paris WR 1168 vs BYE
QR1: Nick Eeckelaers UNR vs (qWC) Matthew Chadwick UNR
QR1: Jamie Malik UNR vs Jack Gibbens UNR
QR1: Sacha Modica UNR vs BYE

QR1: (q3) Oliver Hudson WR 1371 vs BYE
QR1: Christopher Morrow UNR vs Jan Kubicek (CZE) UNR
QR1: Jack Findel-Hawkins UNR vs Sam Price UNR
QR1: George Davies UNR vs BYE

QR1: (q4) Julian Cash WR 1439 vs BYE
QR1: (qWC) Kwok Yin Adam Chan UNR vs James Mitchell UNR
QR1: Reuben Henry UNR vs (qWC) Ravi Patel UNR
QR1: (q10) Lloyd Glasspool 1785 vs BYE

QR1: (q5) Jathan Malik WR 1651 vs BYE
QR1: Sizya Ernest Kivanda UNR vs Aneil Persad UNR
QR1: Jake Munns UNR vs Luke Power UNR
QR1: (q11) Ben Stride WR 1785 vs BYE

QR1: (q6) Ryan Peniston WR 1678 vs BYE
QR1: Kyle Fellows UNR vs James Palmer (AUS) UNR
QR1: Kenichiro Oishi UNR vs Alan Gleeson (IRL) UNR
QR1: (q13) Harry Meehan WR 2202 vs BYE

QR1: (q7) Robert Carter WR 1743 vs BYE
QR1: (qWC) Paul Midgley UNR vs (qWC) Piers Foley UNR
QR1: (qWC) Daniel Tiboldi UNR vs Toby Mitchell UNR
QR1: (q12) Scott Duncan WR 1907 vs BYE

QR1: Philip Sikman UNR vs Josh Goodall UNR
QR1: Luke Stevenson UNR vs Harvey Shackleton UNR
QR1: (q9) Jamie Whiteford WR 1785 vs BYE

BradMarx90 · County player

Josh Goodall sneaking in under the radar there...

wimdledont · Challenger level

Coup Droit wrote:
Does slightly make you wonder about Otto's claim (and that of others) that we need tons more events for our players . . .

As you say, there's over a dozen byes in the first Q round.

...

I guess it's just possible that Bambo and Ed didn't enter because they thought they might still be in the Wimbly doubles?

Me as much, or more than, Otto calling for more UK ITF tournaments.

There may be byes here, but it coincides with Wimbledon Juniors. But it's a qualifying draw of 64. There are still 41 UK players in the qualifiers, and perhaps as many as 60 altogether, if you include further DAs and WCs to the main draw.

Say 60 players, at a cost in prize money of US$15k - or US$250 each. That's about what somebody would have to pay out - whether the LTA, the players, their parents, whoever - in air fares alone to get them to a foreign-based tournament. I would prefer to see the cash in the players' pockets, not in the coffers of Easyjet/Ryanair.

As this is in the UK, they don't need to book a week's accommodation on top; it is possible, without grotesque further expense, for LTA or other coaches to see up-and-coming UK talent in competitive action. The players also should have better, easier access to medical/physio/other essential LTA or other facilities.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

I take your point, Wimbledont, but presumably it's not a given that just because it's in the UK, "they don't need to book a week's accommodation". I mean, not everyone lives within reasonably easy driving distance of Frinton.

And the players aren't getting $250 each. Most will get nothing. Or only 8 from qualifying will get anything. So the rest in Q will get nothing. And, in the tournament as a whole, there are some good foreign entrants. So they may well take the lion's share.

And it costs the tournament about twice the amount, i.e. the Frinton tournament will cost about $30k (based on Naomi Cavaday's blog and a rule of thumb for lower ITFs). So that's quite a lot of money.

I don't mean tournaments are a bad idea - I think they're great.

But I don't think they are the answer to re-building/building a solid UK base of tennis.

BradMarx90 · County player

To play devil's advocate:

Turkey this year has an entire 52-week's worth of Futures tournaments. When was the last big-name Turkish player that made an impact on the sport?

Proof that a lot of tournament opportunities doesn't necessarily breed success.

TMH · Futures qualifying

You can throw in any random correlation though, without context it's irrelevant.

I think it's quite obvious that more British tournaments will benefit British players, not least from a financial perspective.

wimdledont · Challenger level

I accept that there's further costs besides the prize money; and that the prize money is not evenly split.

I think that the players do need to budget on paying 7/8 days' accommodation, if playing abroad, because airflights need to be advanced booked, or it costs a load to change them. So if you're playing Turkey qualies, I think you need to book your flights a week apart, and pay for accommodation in between; play Frinton today, lose in Q1, and you can take a late train back home, at no cost in accommodation at all.

Also, I see from the ITF site that there are 70 ALTs, the vast majority of whom haven't turned up. Anybody know why this should be?

The regular Turkey/Egypt Futures tournaments don't seem to attract many local entries even. I think they're mainly laid on in the interests of the local hospitality/tourist trade, rather than of the local tennis players.

It's not a direct correlation; but I do think that the large number of US women in the top 100 is a reflection of the large number of WTA + big money ITF tournaments Stateside; French or Italian citizenship gets you a lot of opportunities to compete at domestic lower-money ITFs, and they both have significant bulges in the number of women ranked from 200-500, who are looking to compete at that level.

paulisi · Tennis legend

The Turkish/Egyptian tournaments are subsidised somewhat by the local hotels. I've heard some horror stories about extra charges such as practice courts if you didn't use the official hotel.

No upsets of note today - I assume weather intervened

Bradley MOUSLEY (AUS) [1] BYE
Isaac STOUTE (GBR) 6-4 6-2 Nicholas NUGENT (GBR)
David FOX (GBR) 4-6 7-5 6-3 Osgar O'HOISIN (IRL)
Jamie Asanee PRADITNGAM (GBR) BYE
Joshua PARIS (GBR) [2] BYE
Nick EECKELAERS (GBR) 7-6(5) 7-5 Matthew CHADWICK (GBR)
Jamie MALIK (GBR) 6-3 6-4 Jack GIBBENS (GBR)
Sacha MODICA (GBR) BYE
Oliver HUDSON (GBR) [3] BYE
Christopher MORROW (GBR) 6-2 6-3 Jan KUBICEK (CZE)
Jack FINDEL-HAWKINS (GBR) 6-2 6-4 Sam PRICE (GBR)
George DAVIES (GBR) BYE
Julian CASH (GBR) [4] BYE
Kwok Yin Adam CHAN (GBR) 6-2 6-3 James MITCHELL (GBR)
Ravi PATEL (GBR) 6-3 6-0 Reuben HENRY (GBR)
Lloyd GLASSPOOL (GBR) [10] BYE
Jathan MALIK (GBR) [5] BYE
Sizya Ernest KIVANDA (GBR) 7-5 6-1 Aneil PERSAD (GBR)
Andre ROMANELLO JOAQUIM (BRA) 6-2 6-2 Jake MUNNS (GBR)
Ben STRIDE (GBR) [11] BYE
Ryan PENISTON (GBR) [6] BYE
Kyle FELLOWS (GBR) 6-4 6-1 James PALMER (AUS)
Alan GLEESON (IRL) 6-1 6-0 Kenichiro OISHI (GBR)
Harry MEEHAN (GBR) [13] BYE
Robert CARTER (GBR) [7] BYE
Piers FOLEY (GBR) 4-6 6-2 6-1 Paul MIDGLEY (GBR)
Toby MITCHELL (GBR) 6-0 6-2 Daniel TIBOLDI (GBR)
Scott DUNCAN (GBR) [12] BYE
Aaron ADDISON (AUS) [8] BYE
Josh GOODALL (GBR) 6-2 6-4 Philip SIKMAN (GBR)
Luke STEVENSON (GBR) 6-2 6-1 Harvey SHACKLETON (GBR)
Jamie WHITEFORD (GBR) [9] BYE

Round 2
Lloyd GLASSPOOL (GBR) [10] 6-3 1-6 6-3 Ravi PATEL (GBR)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

QR1 results:

Q Round 1

Isaac STOUTE (GBR) 6-4 6-2 Nicholas NUGENT (GBR)
David FOX (GBR) 4-6 7-5 6-3 Osgar O'HOISIN (IRL)
Nick EECKELAERS (GBR) 7-6(5) 7-5 Matthew CHADWICK (GBR)
Jamie MALIK (GBR) 6-3 6-4 Jack GIBBENS (GBR)
Christopher MORROW (GBR) 6-2 6-3 Jan KUBICEK (CZE)
Jack FINDEL-HAWKINS (GBR) 6-2 6-4 Sam PRICE (GBR)
Kwok Yin Adam CHAN (GBR) 6-2 6-3 James MITCHELL (GBR)
Ravi PATEL (GBR) 6-3 6-0 Reuben HENRY (GBR)
Sizya Ernest KIVANDA (GBR) 7-5 6-1 Aneil PERSAD (GBR)
Andre ROMANELLO JOAQUIM (BRA) 6-2 6-2 Jake MUNNS (GBR)
Kyle FELLOWS (GBR) 6-4 6-1 James PALMER (AUS)
Alan GLEESON (IRL) 6-1 6-0 Kenichiro OISHI (GBR)
Piers FOLEY (GBR) 4-6 6-2 6-1 Paul MIDGLEY (GBR)
Toby MITCHELL (GBR) 6-0 6-2 Daniel TIBOLDI (GBR)
Josh GOODALL (GBR) 6-2 6-4 Philip SIKMAN (GBR)
Luke STEVENSON (GBR) 6-2 6-1 Harvey SHACKLETON (GBR)

A1 tennis academy · Satellite level

Played in Turkey it's more elite than in the uk , in a major city Adana had to go to a 5 * hotel to get a court the only tennis club was at the US military base . The futures programme is more about promoting tourism and training centres for foreigners .

Played ITF seniors at Ali bey the majority of entries were German hardly any locals Fantastic complex with over 60 clay courts

Lots of young Europeans use as an affordable base and then playing futures each week saving cost of travel ok if can cope with clay and windy conditions good was good and affordable I suggest as a plan for Marcus but was'nt at all keen

-- Edited by A1 tennis academy on Monday 6th of July 2015 08:51:37 AM