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Week 23 - Challenger (€42,500) - Surbiton, GB (Grass)


Five Brits falling but still three in with a shout of making the main draw - all three of whom have taken some decent scalps en route to the FQR. I'm feeling optimistic.



-- Edited by BradMarx90 on Saturday 6th of June 2015 05:46:17 PM

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Me too, both Liam and Marcus have shown that they can qualify and do damage in the main draw, good luck to all three.

Cam I think would be on the cusp of breaking the top 300 if he'd gone straight into the futures tour as opposed to college, being challenged by better players week in week out may have put him in a place to win games like today's.

Although he is I am sure having an amazing time at college etc... and one of the strongest freshman in the US, I can't help but worry that 4 years out will reduce the chance of him becoming a top 100 player. 18-22 is critical in terms of harnessing the power that goes with becoming an adult with technical improvement, this needs to be tested repeatedly at the highest level appropriate allowing refinement week in week out. Again hoping to be proved wrong.

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Actually Oakland, I think Cam has made a terrific decision. He will be playing good players week in week out and be able to get that refinement to his game you talk about. If he hadn't signed up he, like many of the other transitioning young players, would be looking to play as and when he could afford it, due to the performance cuts, player bonus withdrawal etc that the LTA surprisingly decided upon this year. This decision has messed up a lot of players schedules this year, and possibly their potential careers in general. A lot of our young players are really struggling to get that consistency of training and playing that means you can have a proper go at tournament play. I know my son would have made some different decisions if we had seen these inexplicable changes coming

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I agree.

The level of competition, training, coaching, physios, nutrition advice i.e. the whole package, that is laid on at the colleges is second to none. And basically free. And at the perfect age when the transition is so difficult for any but the top few. And it has to be remembered that Cameron tried out at NTC - moved there to do the full LTA elite player package, at 18 or so, and hated it.

As domara says, if he was struggling now to try and make ends meet, not being able to afford a proper coach, living from hand to mouth, paying for court time, he'd more likely be disillusioned/burnt out by the age of 22 or 23 and have got nowhere.

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The removal of the bonus scheme was the WORST decision ever, and I like to think I support the LTA if they do things right.

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Sorry Oakland, but I have to agree with the others here. Like all GB tennis fans, I love to following our players fighting for ranking points to move up the rankings week after week but that doesn't mean I think this is the best route career wise. There are plenty of players who have gone through the college system who go on to make an excellent career in the ATP afterwards and if that is what it takes to get there, then I will gladly forfeit watching Cam week to week battling it out in futures for a few dollars here and there.

Cam is clearly playing exceptionally well. He will probably feel that he should have won his QR2 match today against a player who just 7 days ago was just outside the Top 150. That would suggest that his college experience is benefiting his game rather than hindering it.

I should also add, given how well he is playing, that it was a great effort by Jonny to push him so close in the 1st round. Unfortunately for him, as all comic book readers will tell you, Superman is always going to win out over Batman in the end.

Jonny & Cam.jpg



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IGNORE  disbelief



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Saturday 6th of June 2015 10:25:06 PM

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Coup Droit wrote:

So, the main draw is out and it's not nice (unless you like our best players playing one another to assure a win, which is one strategy).

Dave Rice gets the other wildcard and a passable-ish draw....

Corrie plays Milton

Klein gets Ward

Liam gets Ryan Harrison (third seed)

Cox gets Authom

All the quali spots, bar one, are against seeds too...


Wake up, CD.  Already posted on page 3! wink



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Mega oops !!! Was out all afternoon and page 3 passed me by.

So sorry, Stircrazy . . .

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Coup Droit wrote:

Mega oops !!! Was out all afternoon and page 3 passed me by.

So sorry, Stircrazy . . .


Easily done when things happen quickly.  Apology accepted. smile



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Here's my thoughtd after my trip to Surbiton this afternoon:

A very enjoyable afternoon of tennis. Got there just after Marcus had started his qr1 against Scott. Was a very tight first set with the serve dictating. After that I thought Marcus stepped it up a gear and Scott made a few more errors. Was one bizarre non let call on Marcus serve in I think in the third set everyone could hear it apart the umpire somehow. Marcus stopped play and lost the point I think that put it at deuce thankfully Marcus came through the game in the end with a couple of aces.
Dan smethurst was on the court next to Marcus's against Richard Gabb when ever I looked over I thought dan looked the more in control of the game.
I watched Dan Evans 2qr game and within the first few games Dan seemed to be stretching his leg out. Then later in the set Dan asked for the trainer on I think it might be to do with the back of his right knee couldn't work it out though. Although it didn't look like in general play it was effecting him.
After that i caught some of Luke Bambridge against James Marsalek only caught a bit of it but was impressed by Luke his serve looks a decent weapon. His general stroke play looked decent as well.
Last game I caught was Marcus while also catching some of Dan Smethurst again on the same adjoining court. Marcus played much better imo than his first game. Very few errors, serve was good and some of the shots were terrific, especially the deft drop shots. I left before Dan had finished but he looked in reasonable control of the game again.



-- Edited by Madadman on Saturday 6th of June 2015 11:12:00 PM

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Domara thanks for posting your insight is greatly apreciated and reflects the reality of the withdrawl of the bonus scheme. I agree totally that college is an excellent option for juniors who perhaps have a combined high of 20 or more, anyone between 20-100 would be greeted on the top college campuses as a superstar, and I accept completely that the removal of LTA support has whipped the carpet from beneath the feet of many of our young players.

Bobs comments are also well made and I fear we may have no players to support on the ITF and challenger tours under the age of 22, for a decade once Kyle falls out of that age bracket.

My point was not to criticize Cam or his decision indeed he is playing well both here and in college where I am following him (along with some other young British players, indeed I am in danger of becoming a Memphis fan as opposed to a British tennis fan, or is that one in the same thing). It comes from having spent a couple of years watching one of the best if not the best US college sports programme week in week out, in one of the strongest conferences, the standard of opposition is very variable. It does not come close to the consistency found in the main draw at ITF level and often the qualifying draw would be tougher, this is reflected in Cam being rated the 10th best freshman in the whole US on his arrival.

He is already an elite college player before he starts and although getting decent tests in regional and national tournaments these are going to get easier and he will be tested less often as he matures. My feeling is to optimise development of his skill set he needs constant practice against elite opposition, mature players both physically and tactically this is based on an interest in training through simulation, specifically with a view to achieving competences earlier and then becoming expert. One has to be realistic in who you select to train and what you train them to do, those are different questions.

I would argue a player with a Junior combined high of 10 should be supported and given a crack at such high intensity training, the LTA should deliver the currulum the ITF and challenger tours comprehensive and resilient assessment. One has to be pragmatic and if the deal isn't good enough and there is a better offer so be it. I think if your best players arent interested in what you have to offer the LTA are playing a dangerous game in that there maybe no one left to support. There have been examples of players progressing but please correct me if the US college system has ever produced an elite male British singles player, we have 100 young men in college at present, that is not how the NCAA market themselves, indeed their mantra is there are 30,000 student athletes who do something other than sport. Ie for the most parts student athletes go to get a degree.

I fear the debate will be is one Kyle Edmund better than no James Wards (not 20).



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 7th of June 2015 07:05:25 AM



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 7th of June 2015 07:10:01 AM



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 7th of June 2015 07:12:52 AM

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Assume JWH is injured ?

Otherwise presumably he'd definitely be here ?

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Oakland, I wouldnt argue with just about any of your post. Points well made. In particular your point about the LTA whipping the carpet out beneath the feet is exactly how jonny , and I guess many others, feel about how totally without warning/consultation a pathway was removed. Nobody is saying give us a free ride, but at least give the players a chance of earning a career whilst going through what must be the toughest transition of any sport. My guess is, as as many fear, that there will be no one left to support outside Andy very soon.

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