Week 18 - ATP Masters 1000 (Mutua Madrileña Open) - Madrid - qualies (red clay)

indiana · Tennis legend

RE: Week 18 - ATP Masters 1000 (Mutua Madrileña Open) - Madrid - qualies (red clay)

TMH · Futures qualifying

A131 wrote:
RJA wrote:
philwrig wrote:
Purely based upon his DC heroics alone Wardy deserves a WC at Wimby. Endof !!!!!!!!!
Sorry Phil but this is utter nonsense. Henri Laaksonen's exploits in the Davis Cup this year probably exceed that of James. He was ranked 344 in the world when he won both live rubbers against Bemelmans WR 132 and Darcis WR 102, the former from 2-0 down and the latter from 2-1 down. He deserves a Wimbledon wild card just as much as James does but we all know that he won't get one. I don't begrudge James a Wimbledon wild card but it is a privilege not a right and if he did not have the good fortune to be a subject of Her Majesty he would not receive one.

-- Edited by RJA on Saturday 2nd of May 2015 09:54:11 PM
Good point RJA - you have highlighted what I feel is all that is wrong with the current WC system - too much bias and favoritism! Which at the end of the day is why Liam Broady and Kyle Edmund will get WC's though I do respect the fact that both have improved their rankings over the past year and Kyle in particularly has had some good results but as you say if neither had the good fortune to be a subject of Her Majesty both would be spending the week before Wimbledon trying to qualify at Roehampton.
Another case I would mention is Jared Donaldson who is still only 18 and now ranked 168 in the world - 11 places higher than what Liam is now and over 200 places higher than what Kyle Edmund was when he received his first WC two years ago. This time last year Donaldson was ranked 580. I read so many views of how people thought Kyle deserved it and how can we not give this boy a chance and I argued then that he should earn his place and if need be give him a WC to the qualifying but certainly not the main draw. Of course that was all ignored and just brushed aside. Will Donaldson be playing qualifying - you bet he will, unless his ranking dramatically sores over the next few weeks.

And Donaldson will get a WC to the US Open whereas Kyle, Liam or any other Brits that hypothetically had a great rise up the rankings would not.

Weak example.

TMH · Futures qualifying

Jaggy1876 wrote:
James Bogdanovic

Yes you said that already. Any intelligent input to add to the debate?

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

James is simply not a top 100 player for those having a dig at my Bogdanovic analysis they are almost identical in that respect other than that James has managed top beat he occasional player at DC level. I really think that he should come through qualifying at Wimbledon wild cards to Kyle and Liam. I stand by my prediction that he will behind Liam Kyle and Brydan at end of year rankings.

A131 · Intermediate Club Player

TMH wrote:
A131 wrote:
RJA wrote:
philwrig wrote:
Purely based upon his DC heroics alone Wardy deserves a WC at Wimby. Endof !!!!!!!!!
Sorry Phil but this is utter nonsense. Henri Laaksonen's exploits in the Davis Cup this year probably exceed that of James. He was ranked 344 in the world when he won both live rubbers against Bemelmans WR 132 and Darcis WR 102, the former from 2-0 down and the latter from 2-1 down. He deserves a Wimbledon wild card just as much as James does but we all know that he won't get one. I don't begrudge James a Wimbledon wild card but it is a privilege not a right and if he did not have the good fortune to be a subject of Her Majesty he would not receive one.

-- Edited by RJA on Saturday 2nd of May 2015 09:54:11 PM
Good point RJA - you have highlighted what I feel is all that is wrong with the current WC system - too much bias and favoritism! Which at the end of the day is why Liam Broady and Kyle Edmund will get WC's though I do respect the fact that both have improved their rankings over the past year and Kyle in particularly has had some good results but as you say if neither had the good fortune to be a subject of Her Majesty both would be spending the week before Wimbledon trying to qualify at Roehampton.
Another case I would mention is Jared Donaldson who is still only 18 and now ranked 168 in the world - 11 places higher than what Liam is now and over 200 places higher than what Kyle Edmund was when he received his first WC two years ago. This time last year Donaldson was ranked 580. I read so many views of how people thought Kyle deserved it and how can we not give this boy a chance and I argued then that he should earn his place and if need be give him a WC to the qualifying but certainly not the main draw. Of course that was all ignored and just brushed aside. Will Donaldson be playing qualifying - you bet he will, unless his ranking dramatically sores over the next few weeks.
And Donaldson will get a WC to the US Open whereas Kyle, Liam or any other Brits that hypothetically had a great rise up the rankings would not.
Weak example.

You're quite right. Donaldson may well get a WC to the US Open but that wasn't my point - it's all the bias and favoritism involved and as Indy and I keep saying it shouldn't have a place where the main draw of a grand slam is involved in our opinion.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, A131, quite a lot of variably relevant tangental points being made.

But we just keep coming back to : GS MD should be for the elite, by DE or qualification, not for WCs - in our opinion.

A131 · Intermediate Club Player

Jaggy1876 wrote:
James is simply not a top 100 player for those having a dig at my Bogdanovic analysis they are almost identical in that respect other than that James has managed top beat he occasional player at DC level. I really think that he should come through qualifying at Wimbledon wild cards to Kyle and Liam. I stand by my prediction that he will behind Liam Kyle and Brydan at end of year rankings.

Jaggy - Even I'm resigned to the fact that JW is not going to go through qualifying though like you I think he should if he is outside the top 112 come the cut off - but he won't be by the sounds of things and as I've said to Bob in Spain under the system I'd adopt he would still make the main draw so I would have to go with it. Either way, I'm not convinced he would make it through qualifying on current form and if it carries on your prediction may well come to fruition except I can't see him being behind Brydan at year's end but I'll be following!