Week 11 - ITF ($10k) Jiangmen, China (Hard)

indiana · Tennis legend

RE: Week 11 - ITF ($10k) Jiangmen, China (Hard)

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

indiana wrote:
Yes, maybe not normally 6-0 6-0 ( but in this case apparently to an extent ) but a lot of women's scores of the 6-1 and 6-2 variety can really be quite competitive. I remember some discussion regards this in the past, particularly with regard to some Laura Robson matches.

I generally love the tennis scoring system ( including Ads !!! ) but in the women's game, with the general lack of serve domination, you can get really pretty competitive matches where one player is just a bit better on the day and keeps irritatingly winning tight games, leading to a cruel looking scoreline.

I've often thought that there is a stat missing that might help this, to do with break points.
You can see BP, and conversion, but what you miss is how many unused BP a player has, and in how many games BP occurred.
So, if a player takes the first point at 40-0* to break, the 2 unused chances are never logged, but that reserve is an indicator of pressure and the back and forth.
If your match figures are 3/4 and your opponents are 1/9, it seems as though the other player had more pressure, but you could have converted 3 times at 40-0*. Whereas there could have been one epic game back and forth from deuce to account for all 9 BP (unlikely, but I use an extreme example to highlight the effect).

Things like this would, I believe, help to give a more rounded picture of a match, and is not subjective like UE counts.

indiana · Tennis legend

Interesting.

Re your BP exanple, I have too in the past thought how much one could potentially get a very misleading perspective on a match from BP stats.

Looking at your example, say player X loses a match 6-4 6-4 and has BP conversion stats of 1/9 ( and opponent player Y 3/4 ) the tempation might be to think, even suggest, that it's these important BPs that have cost player X the match.

But us you say, all 9 of X's BPs could have been in the one game she broke in and that the only game she really threatened to break in. Player Y meantime clearly broke in 3 games and may even have had a BP chance in a 4th, if all 3 were first time conversions, and also some could have been at 0-40 or 15-40 so Y may have had big pressure and had 'spares'.

Suddenly a quite different complexion on proceedings ...

Peter too · Tennis legend

QF: DART, Harriet (GBR) 2 409 beat CHRISTIE, Freya (GBR) SE 865 6-2 6-2

SF: DART, Harriet (GBR) 2 409 v XU, Shilin (CHN) 533 CH=403 Dec 2014, 17yo JCH=1

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

Keep going now please Harriet :)

Looks a tricky one though furious

-- Edited by vohor on Thursday 19th of March 2015 11:47:42 AM

TennisLover · Strong Club Player

A bit surprised with the outcome of Freya's match with Harriet. Was expecting a closer match especially with Freya's quick-fire win against Anna.

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

Expected Harriet to win, mainly because she's had a lot more recent match experience but thought it would be a fair bit closer.

wimdledont · Challenger level

Harriet won, with Xu retiring after losing the first set.

She is now past the 400 barrier in the WTA rankings, overtaking Naomi C among others - Brit number 9.

Freya should also move up to around 750, tied with Jade W for Brit 19.

Good luck in the final.

-- Edited by wimdledont on Friday 20th of March 2015 03:24:55 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Congrats to Harriet. Into the final !

Will play Liu, top seed, in the final. But she only won her semi 6-4 in the third.

Good luck, Harriet.

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

Great stuff Harriet; GL in the final :)

indiana · Tennis legend

SF: (2) Harriet Dart WR 409 beat Shilin Xu (CHN) WR 533 (CH 403 12/14) 6-3 retired

F: (2) Harriet Dart WR 409 vs (1) Chang Liu (CHN) WR 382 (CH 336 01/13)

PaulM · Tennis legend

And Xu is the current junior #2 (former #1). So a decent scalp even if she got a bit of luck with the retirement!

indiana · Tennis legend

I've been very pleasantly surprised by how well Harriet has done in the last year. She has really pushed on.

Good stuff and good luck in the final.

Mervatron · Masters Series Champion

Good stuff. Shame about the way it happened.

Hopefully she can win the title

wimdledont · Challenger level

Shucks!

Harriet lost 6-3, 6-0 in the final.