one overall ranking system is much better. Previously players had to play domestic tournaments in their age groups to pick up points and then be ranked within their age groups. Unfortunately overseas tournaments were not included, so a lot of the better juniors were never ranked in their age groups as they were playing overseas ITF's. Donia was a prime example.
Others i.e Nell Miller, Megan Davies were highly ranked in multiple age groups as they played same age and higher age tournaments.
This, if I understand correctly, should produce one list, which can then be split into ages if required.
Wow, thanks The Optimist - I think I've about got it now. Although I've still got lots of questions :) - but don't want to bombard you!
Just to say, as a comparison, the French system only has ratings. i.e. everybody (whatever age, from 12 up) plays everybody, whatever tournament, they all count the came, and once a year, like you say, there's a calculation (iterative) as to how many wins (with a coefficient for wins against players rated one grade above you, two grades, three grades etc. and they calculate your new ranking. All wins count the same but you get no points for beating someone rated two ratings below you (30 points for a win for someone one rating below you, 50 points for someone the same rating, 100 points for someone 1 rating above you, 150 for someone two rating above you....)
Losses aren't taken into consideration (that was changed about 10 years ago because, again as you say, it stopped people entering tournaments where they 'might' lose in the first round). So only victories count. (Although there is a bonus is you go through the whole year with no 'significant' losses). Winning a tournament gives you a bonus of another win (against the top rating of any player in that tournament). Certain championships also give you a bonus (but not many).
There's also a half-way through the year re-calculation - but just for adults, not juniors, as they don't want juniors 'chasing' points, they want them to be concentrating on developing.
These ratings are used for any selection process and can automatically generate a ranking i.e. if you're 5.1 (equivalent) and age 13 and no other 13 year-old is 5.1 or better, then you're the best ranked 13 year-old and number one seed for any 13 year-old tournament.
Foreign players (French kids, perhaps, who play abroad a lot) get an administrative rating i.e. one that the committee decides, based on any home wins and an equivalence system with the foreign country.
I don't know how it compares - the system seems to work well - players definitely love it - kids play kids or play seniors and the points system works the same.
Ask away CD, I'll answer if I can. The French ratings system sounds much more sophisticated than the UK version, weighting the value of each opponent in the calculations. Probably why it works well as a stand alone system without the addition of rankings.
I didn't realise our top junior boys were all entered for Sunderland.
I suspect Joe Salisbury will get a wildcard if he doesn't get in direct, but it would be nice to give Alexis Canter, Joel Cannell, Jonathan Gray and Ryan Storrie main draw wildcards.
-- Edited by paulisi on Tuesday 20th of January 2015 12:53:07 PM
Well, at least the higher ranked guys considering competing have made a rather better job of actually entering for this week. So that will help up and comers re WCs.
A couple of strange wildcards for the girls at Sunderland - Askew, Asghar, Dixon, Griffin.
I'm guessing they are awarding players for appearing on BT tour.
Nice to see some of the junior boys making qualifying draw for mens - Canter, Moore. Cannell, Storrie and Gray should all get bumped up and four of these five may make main draw.
I see Jonny O'Mara has withdrawn again. Hopefully nothing serious.
-- Edited by paulisi on Friday 23rd of January 2015 12:47:20 PM