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Andy's points to defend - a twist


On the face of it, apart from Barletta challenger in Mar last year, 7pts, he hasn't got anything to defend until Queens. (in fact he as a 19th best 5pt which would replace it, losing only 2 points) However, I may be wrong, but it's not quite so straightforward as that, and I think that theoretically he could still lose more points than that.


Now that he is an automatic entry into Master's series events, those events MUST be counted as his 18, so just suppose for example he didn't play at Indian Wells (having his hair cut instead). He would have to count 0 pts as one of his 18, and displace his lowest placed other score, putting him -5pts.  Alternatively, if he had a series of 1st round exits in Masters over the next few months, he would have to count all of them (5pts), possibly squeezing out higher scores from his best 18, before they were due to come off. For example,  3 successive MS 1st round defeats would squeese out Zagreb (5), Barletta (7)(or 5 pt replacement), and Granby(14), and replace them with 3 x 5 pointers, leaving him 11 pts worse off.


Not sure if all this is rubbish, but that's the way I understand the rules



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i think  you have it about right, the masters/GS's and YEC (if eligable) all have to count, i am not sure if this applies to serious injury cases tho. this year i dont think andy would fare too badly even with bad results in them, as he has plenty of lower scores to lose, at his level now a few points rarely costs much. i haven't looked at the rankings but 11 points wont make much  direct negative impact to him (of cousre the lack of masters points earned when he has such a good chance would not be good)

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I understand your thinking, but I dont it is quite correct.  Players have to play all nine masters series events, and these nine events all count towards a players points total. If you don't play a masters series event, you get zero points for it.  If you are injured, it makes no difference, you get zero points.  However, if your ranking is not high enough to gain direct entry, this rule does not apply and you can include your sixth highest points tournament.


SteveG on his excellent site keeps a list of "zero pointers" to help with comlpicated ranking calculations. He also keeps a copy of every ranking list issued, going back for several years. www.stevegtennis.com   There is also a load of other information re. raankings and tournaments and links to tournament websires as well as results.



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stevemcqueen wrote:


I understand your thinking, but I dont it is quite correct.  Players have to play all nine masters series events, and these nine events all count towards a players points total. If you don't play a masters series event, you get zero points for it.  If you are injured, it makes no difference, you get zero points.  However, if your ranking is not high enough to gain direct entry, this rule does not apply and you can include your sixth highest points tournament. SteveG on his excellent site keeps a list of "zero pointers" to help with comlpicated ranking calculations. He also keeps a copy of every ranking list issued, going back for several years. www.stevegtennis.com   There is also a load of other information re. raankings and tournaments and links to tournament websires as well as results.


Yes, but I think what eblunt is saying is that Andy will now qualify, so from now will be losing his least good challenger every time he enters a MS event, so if there are four of those coming up before wimbledon, andy will lose his 4 worst results about 54 points and could be replaced by 4 first rd exits (thoiugh we doubt it) so I believe eblunt has got it right, and it is an interesting point that I hadnt thought of.



Although I think the likely benefit of qualifying by right for MS events will probably outweigh any negative aspects it is true that his points are not fireproof.



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stevemcqueen wrote: I understand your thinking, but I dont it is quite correct.  Players have to play all nine masters series events, and these nine events all count towards a players points total. If you don't play a masters series event, you get zero points for it.  If you are injured, it makes no difference, you get zero points.  However, if your ranking is not high enough to gain direct entry, this rule does not apply and you can include your sixth highest points tournament. SteveG on his excellent site keeps a list of "zero pointers" to help with comlpicated ranking calculations. He also keeps a copy of every ranking list issued, going back for several years. www.stevegtennis.com   There is also a load of other information re. raankings and tournaments and links to tournament websires as well as results. Yes, but I think what eblunt is saying is that Andy will now qualify, so from now will be losing his least good challenger every time he enters a MS event, so if there are four of those coming up before wimbledon, andy will lose his 4 worst results about 54 points and could be replaced by 4 first rd exits (thoiugh we doubt it) so I believe eblunt has got it right, and it is an interesting point that I hadnt thought of. Although I think the likely benefit of qualifying by right for MS events will probably outweigh any negative aspects it is true that his points are not fireproof.


Yes - I guess what I'm trying to point out (not very well) is that currently Andy has 14 "non MS or GS" results in his best 18 scores. By the end of Roland G,  6 of those 14 scores will be replaced by  5 masters scores and RG score,  REGARDLESS of whether the new scroes are better or not.


I don't think its a problem - these are only 5-15 pointers, which I'm sure he'll improve on. Luckily he has only 5 big scores in non GS/MS tourneys,  - 2 challenger wins, Basel Bangkok and San Jose.  



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