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Scottish Referendum

PaulM · Tennis legend

BeefyDeedz wrote:
The 71(?)% of 16-17 voting Yes will bring up yet another of my favourite political arguments. Do liberal youth get ground down into conservatism? If not, we'll most likely see a Yes vote within the next quarter century.

The poll sample of this age group was only 14. Too small for anything to be drawn from. the school referendums often through back very high No wins,

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

NB just to mention that Andy was splashed over the front page of The Evening Standard last night (looking very smart, with Kim) with the caption 'Murray's Regrets Over Tweet'.

Seemingly, he got a bit carried away and it's definitely something he wouldn't do again.

But the hate response has been nasty and difficult for him - the police have even launched an investigation into some of them.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Glad to hear it was with Kim (it was a current photo, was it?). I have been wondering how she has coped with all the backlash.

steven · Tennis legend

Looks like a well thought out statement from new LTA chief Michael Downey about all this fuss, as reported by the BBC - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/29340803

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, while there was absolutely no reason why Andy shouldn't weigh it all up and be in favour of an independent Scotland ( like 1.6 million voters ), as some of us suggested, it was likely to prove very unwise to publicly tweet the little he did on the matter.

There are some very nasty and very sad folk out there. If they actually believe proudly representing GB, which was and remains the constitutional and tennis nation he belongs to, is at odds with supporting independence then they are very confused, but whatever, there is clearly no excuse at all for the language often being used.

However, with these hurling abuse likely very many just get kicks out of being as vile and hateful as they can sitting at their keyboards. I wouldn't be surprised if many are part of the hordes that sent horrible racist tweets to / about Mario Balotelli in response to his "Man United - LOL" tweet.

And to anyone that doesn't know, I myself was a very firm NO.

indiana · Tennis legend

Just read what Michael Downey has been saying. Indeed, as well thought out as my own pronouncements on the subject :)

Loyally representing GB. Entitled to a view on the future of the country he was born in. No conflict !

Very good that Downey came out with that.

( I might have accompanied it with diagrams, which would probably not have been a good idea ).

PaulM · Tennis legend

The cynic in me suspects such a retraction would not have been so forthcoming had Yes won.

indiana · Tennis legend

I wasn't aware that Andy had "retracted", but rather ( unsurprisingly ) that he regretted tweeting a few thoughts, since ( and I'm saying this bit, not him ) he had rather foolishly not taken account of the many muppets ( kind word ) out there.

PaulM · Tennis legend

Well, he basically said he wished he'd never sent the tweet. I agree that's not strictly a retraction but there seemed to be an element of PR damage limitation following the No vote there (about how it was phrased, the timing etc...), and whilst he would probably still have regretted the way he handled it if it was Yes, I think he would have been more willing to stand behind what he had ultimately said, instead of effectively being forced into shying away from it and trying to brush it away, and making sure to remind everybody that he really was really very proud to represent, and really would continue to represent, GB.

All ancient history now though, and very glad to see him doing the talking on court this week!

-- Edited by PaulM on Monday 29th of September 2014 02:37:03 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

I think we saw a wonderful example ( from one particular man, but also I would imagine many in the crowd in Belgium and previously in Glasgow ) how, given a choice, supporting Scotland being independent is not synonymous with being anti-British.

Hugely well done Andy and all the rest of the team, and also the support from all parts of GB !

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

The thing about being independant for a lot of people I know was a chance to get rid of The Tories once an for all from Scotland. A lot of the other parties would have a chance to create a new beginning particularly the Labour Party who stumble from one crisis to the next.

It certainly isn't anything to do with being anti-British more anti Tory in my opinion which is fair enough and understandable.