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RE: NTC set to close


Coup Droit wrote:

Update from the LTA;

www.lta.org.uk/News/2014/August/25-08-2014/National-Tennis-Centre-Update/


Doesn't add a big deal but hey . . .


Seems they're about to sack a few people. It wouldn't surprise.

The French system you describe seems well-integrated into life and local facilities. How many players comprise these regional groups, Coup?



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Some oblique comments have been made recently about the ridiculous amount of LTA staff.

And Heather's polite but clear comments back at Wimbledon, when asked about 'lazy, entitled' players, saying that there were maybe some but there were also a lot of coaches who fed into the same ethos and let the players get away with it, were quite illuminating.

I think there are about 8 players at each elite centre in France (some all boys, some all girls). There is also then a whole layer below, about another 12-14 similar federation centres, which usually share facilities with the sports universities, or other Ministry of Sports Sporting Excellence programmes, some just for age 15 up, some younger. I think they have about the same number in each.

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LTA announces scrapping of Roehampton Centre of Excellence


This from today's Evening Standard.  I quote:   " The LTA are scrapping the "centre of excellence" they built at a cost of £40M.  One of the reasons given for this ridiculous U-turn is that young players based there developed a "culture of partying and fast livingand an overdeveloped sense of entitlement" That one depressing paragrapg tells us a great deal about tennis in this country."

 

 My opinion is that it should not have been built in the first place, it is far too "london centric".  Scotland deserved some sensible money for all it achieved with so little.  A training base in Spain and an association with Spanish youngsters and training regime  would have better use of money.  It is a U-turn, yes.  The closure is embarrassing for the LTA.  However I respect their decision and feel it is probably the correct one.  There is no point in throwing good money after bad.

I'm sure this announcement will cause an avalanche of posts and general discussion.

Steve

 

 



-- Edited by stevemcqueen on Tuesday 26th of August 2014 04:21:08 PM

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Have you been out of the country?

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Yes........

The only thing I can say in my defence is that because I read about this in a newspaper, I thought it would be new....



-- Edited by stevemcqueen on Tuesday 26th of August 2014 05:40:30 PM

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This needs merging with the other relevant thread.

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"avalanche of posts and general discussion" - naa, really can't see it, but thanks for the info anyway. I guess it is tennis related.

Poor Steve :)

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Thanks, Steven, I would have done it if I knew now. . . if you PM me instructions I'll do it in future. (Assuming I have the power, that is)

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Old (2011) quote from Andy as to one of the problems with the NTC (and the problem with continuing to fund older players):



Murray, who quit Britain for a tennis academy in Spain at the age of 15, told the Daily Mail: "Do you know that in Spain, at 18, your funding stops?

"From there, you get nothing that you cannot earn for yourself. We're funding guys to 27, 28 - while in the most successful tennis nation in the world you're basically on your own. Maybe there's something in that.

"When I went to Spain, from the best players to the worst players we were all taught the same way, all given the same drills. They had a structure and they stuck to it.

"Go to our national centre and you've got 10 different nationalities all coaching a different way. If we don't get the results straight away, we panic and change direction.

"There is no confidence in our technique, no sense of sticking to an idea, no identity, no consistency in the way we teach tennis, so naturally there is no British style."


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That's interesting, mainly because one of the common complaints of the LTA system is that funding is pulled from 18 for kids who have, until that point, had everything on a plate. The issue there is not funding older players, it's funding too many juniors too highly, and then when they don't break through quickly, they are chucked out the set-up and don't even know how to register for a tournament or book a practice court because that used to all be done for them. Then they plod around for a couple of years losing in 10ks, get stuck around 700, and quit.

So actually, in the UK, funding generally stops at 18 too (at the latest), unless you break through or the LTA have enough belief that you will.

It was only by the Draper regime changing the approach to continue funding more seniors that the likes of Anne, Bally, Katie were able to achieve what they did in the end. And "funding" doesn't have to mean just money of course.

The important point Andy made back in 2011 is not the one about funding - it's about coaching philosophy and the constant need to change when things don't work immediately. Something that always happens in British tennis because of the media outcry every Wimbledon. The closure of the NTC rather than trying to work with it to change it into a positive is, arguably, another example of that.

There's no point in the LTA ever making a 5 year plan, because after 2 years they will fold to negative press and event a new one. It's incredibly detrimental to players who are the victims of constantly changing systems and approaches. Often the players don't know where the stand, coaching set-ups are changed, they are moved from squads to individual to different squads to individual with a different coach as programmes as introduced, changed, cancelled, re-invented, changed again etc...

Let's hope that this 'era' is the start of some consolidation and stability if nothing else.



-- Edited by PaulM on Wednesday 27th of August 2014 12:49:18 PM

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And herein lies the problem. Everyone likes to be the first to jump on the "LTA is unfit for purpose" bandwagon, but - apart from that - NOBODY agrees on the best way to do make British tennis better. Foreign coaches good, foreign coaches bad. Central facility good, central facility bad. Etc. Yawn ...

No wonder the LTA has to pay a ridiculous salary to its CEO, it's an even more thankless job than being the England football coach.

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Its no good blaming the players. There arevery hard working players who have been at NTC. Its no use taking funding away as many would just not afford to continue.the quality of the coaching and the mentoring skills particularly on the girls side has to be extremely suspect. If it was a great group of players with motivational coaches who werent scared of failure, who werent obsessed by expenses maybe, then the culture would be different. We have some real talents. They dont develop themselves. Thats where coaches come in. British coaches can be very negative.

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I don;t think one can dismiss Andy's comment about funding (although it's true I'd put it here more as a comment about the NTC). And completely take Ratty's point that it's a pretty thankless task with no magical answer.

But I don;t think the 'success' of Anne, Katie and Bally are very convincing arguments for funding older players being a good idea.

I think the point Andy implies but didn't make (and is my bugbear re Britain) is that Spain has a thriving business of tennis, a true professional sport established. Hence, you don't need to directly fund players. The business you've created becomes almost self-funding.

This is what the LTA should invest in, not 25 year-old players. (And, yes, Ratty - not quite sure how).

And, yep, the constant changing is part of a vicious circle. The Spanish system works/has worked, hence there is confidence that, even in a blip, it will still work. Britain has never had this luxury.

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Just look at a lot of successful players in GB who have suceeded as juniors by moving out of the country! It says a lot. It also says they can afford it.



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