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Girls: Nike Junior Nationals (U12/U14/U16/U18) - Week 34


Jasmine Asghar, Eden Richardson, Holly Hutchinson and Georgie Axon are among those competing for the under 18 title in Nottingham this week. Eden and Holly look as if they are in for a busy week, as they are also the top seeds in the under 16s. All 8 seeds won their opening matches in the under 14s - Francesca Jones would have been the third seed, but was detained in Portugal, winning her first ITF title

Draws

U18  http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=79891847-CCC5-44FE-8E7E-32FDF1A36635&draw=6

U16  http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=79891847-CCC5-44FE-8E7E-32FDF1A36635&draw=4

U14  http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=79891847-CCC5-44FE-8E7E-32FDF1A36635&draw=7

U12  http://lta.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=5A7FB4DA-2580-42D1-9139-E78AB985DBDD&draw=2



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OK - I don't understand - how come girls are playing in two categories ? And at the same time ?

I understand that they may well qualify for two categories (a top U16 may well be high up in the best U18s).

But the rules allow them to play both ?

And so they've got a U16 match at 8.30 and then an U18 at midday ? And then the same tomorrow if they win ? And doubled up if the weather turns bad ???

All other national championships that I know make players play their rightful category. That's the point of the whole thing. Those tournaments (below the national championships) that have some leeway make you choose. Only the lowest ones allow you to double up.

A national championship is supposed to be, I think, one of the pinnacles of achievement of the year - the players should be 100% focused, it should be in their calendars as a key objective.

Not a 'let's play a few more matches for practice and then have a good excuse if I under-perform' sort of tournament.

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Normally these tournaments aren't that strong and the LTA tend to push/promote the winner to try and give the tournament credence. Beth Askew to name but one.

I see quite a few of our top juniors aren't competing.

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Why schedule your national championships for a time when your top players are almost guaranteed to be elsewhere, preparing for the final Grand Slam? Never really understood this.

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paulisi wrote:

Normally these tournaments aren't that strong and the LTA tend to push/promote the winner to try and give the tournament credence. Beth Askew to name but one.

I see quite a few of our top juniors aren't competing.


 

To me it does the opposite.

i.e. the fact that you can do multiple categories labels it as a lower ranked tournament with not enough entries.

If quite a few of the top juniors aren't competing, they should address this and not push those they have into doubling up.

The easy way to push up the importance of the national championships is to have it count as a part of the funding calculation, like a mandatory scorer, if you will. Also, those who are currently being funded should not be allowed to skip it (unless they are playing in a different tournament and have permission - see below, US Open). Either indirectly or directly, it should be mandatory (if the LTA truly want it to be a valued as a national championship).

The timing is a tricky thing.

The French have the same problem. The U16 and U18 nat. championships are taking place now. Of the top boys, Tatlot is prioritising the national championships and skipping US Open. Halys has chosen to do the US Open juniors instead (which will have been approved).

But no one can just skip the national championships and expect to be part of the elite training groups next year, no matter what your ranking is. If you want federation funding, you play by the federation rules.

 



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It's the first time I can recall the LTA allowing doubling up at under 16 and under 18 level, and appears to be the next stage in the decline of those nationals (the under 14s and 12s by contrast do attract all or nearly all the top players). The number of top juniors involved has dropped virtually every year over the last decade. There is no good week in the summer holidays, given the European team competitions as well as the US Open, and I wouldn't want to stop players who wished going to the US Open, if direct entry or close (interesting to learn that top tenner Tatlot has opted for the Nationals over the US Open, though I suppose the fact that it's his last year as a junior and having already reached the quarter-finals last year may have had something to do with that). However it seems that the LTA needs to use either the stick or carrot (eg Wimbledon qualifying wildcard) approach to stop the under 18 and under 16 events being a farce.

Second seed Donia Abdel-Aziz lost in round 2 of the under 14s

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The national championships are a big deal in France.

But that's partly because all the regions are represented (either one, two or - exceptionally - three players per region, depending on the strength of the region that year) and there are points attributed to the region for wins/finalists/semis etc.

These form part of a year-long full 'regional' championship (it includes all junior, adult and senior tennis, covering all the national championships, individual and team).

It's a big deal to win it. It's sponsored (still, I believe) by Perrier and it's a lucrative thing.

Hence, kids who receive scholarships/grants/training etc. at regional level (and that includes national level, it's just a different level of the same structure) have to take part - their region demands it. If you don't want the funding/training obviously, you can say no. The top 18 year-olds, or very precociously highly ranked players, also sometimes don't take part, either for the US Open or other reasons. But the others all do. There are 17/8 year-olds with WTA rankings of about WR 500 - 700 (Dodin, Touly, Muntean) taking part.

However, there's no forcing - obviously the kids all desperately want to take part - it's cyclical - everyone considers it important so everyone takes part so it becomes even more important . . . It's a title that sticks for life.

It's a shame if being National Champion is not a true reflection of the level of the country at the time. I hope the LTA sort it out.



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 18th of August 2014 08:03:15 PM

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Making a big deal of anything very much apart from the grass court season and Davis and Fed Cups is not the LTA style.

I wish it was otherwise.

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In the US the winner of their U18 Hardcourt championships (just finished - Bellis won the girls) gets a main draw wildcard to the US Open.  I think that would be very motivational for our older girls if the winner received a main draw wildcard for Wimbledon.  The only problem would be timing.  10 months before Wimbledon (if they kept the Nationals in August) - lots could happen in the interim. 



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Lauryn John-Baptiste took a set off Jasmine, but the top seed prevailed. The bottom quarter of the under 14s looked open once Donia lost, but the other three semi-finalists are as I expected. Emily is a '99, so the year above the other three

U18 semis

(1) Jasmine Asghar v (WC) Alannah Griffin
(3) Holly Hutchinson v (2) Eden Richardson

U14 semis

(1) Emily Appleton v (5) Ali Collins
(4) Eliz Maloney v (7) Jodie Annie Lawrence-Taylor

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Eden very impressive as the top two seeds contest the under 18 title

U18 semis

(1) Jasmine Asghar d. (WC) Alannah Griffin 6-4 2-6 6-3
(2) Eden Richardson d. (3) Holly Hutchinson 6-0 6-1

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(1) Jasmine Asghar v (2) Eden Richardson

U14 semis

(1) Emily Appleton d. (5) Ali Collins 6-4 4-3 rtd
(4) Eliz Maloney d. (7) Jodie Annie Lawrence-Taylor 7-6(4) 6-4

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(1) Emily Appleton v (4) Eliz Maloney



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In the under 16s Eden has hardly lost a game. In the under 12s top seed Sonay Kartal (a year above most) comfortably beat European U12 team member Indianna Spink, but another member Emma Raducanu is yet to drop a set

U16 SF

(1) Eden Richardson v (6) Louie McClelland
(3) Emily Appleton v Camille Verden-Anderson

U12 SF

(1) Sonay Kartal v (5) Erika Dodridge
(7) Holly Staff v (2) Emma Raducanu

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Indianna was robbed.

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Most of our better juniors girls are playing Maureen Connolly trophy. Strong team with Gabi, Freya, Maia and Katie S

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I disagree Paulsi,

The previous Nationals have in fact been very strong.

This year too many are allowed to play abroad.

The LTA allowing players to enter two age groups is daft, retirements galore instead of matches.

Its not all about the LTA s idea of who they think is the best by throwing money at them to go overseas.

this is one event where many very good players outside the chosen few are begging for the opportunity to show their talent.

instead players withdraw , retire and another players opportunity to prove themselves at an event that they can afford is wasted.



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