Week 29 - Challenger (€35,000) - Recanati, Italy (Hard)

paulisi · Tennis legend

RE: Week 29 - Challenger (€35,000) - Recanati, Italy (Hard)

philwrig · Hall of fame

Bob in Spain wrote:
May well also take out Beechy's CH ranking as well which I know will be a feather in his cap. And I should add that nobody will be happier than Beechy who should still take a lot of credit for what we are seeing at the moment.

Taking out his current coach's CH ranking maybe a touch tougher ;)

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

philwrig wrote:
I have to confess I only started watching the match from*5-1 in the 1st, when it looked like Kyle might have been feeling it a bit physically, I decided to leave it at 0-2*, but felt it was safe to comeback at 3-3*. The last few games, Kyle looked in complete control with Giner struggling to find the court and getting agitated ( enjoy seeing that ), not sure whether Giner was affected by a back problem.

Overall though a confident display, maybe with a touch of tiredness shown.

Yes. There was that brief period at the start of the 2nd set after the MTO where Kyle lost it for a couple of games. Other than that, this was as comprehensive a performance as anyone could have wished for. Let's not forget, this was still against a higher ranked opponent - albeit only just.

Looking good at the moment.

Jan · Hall of fame

Missed all the action - but well done to Kyle!

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

So, here's a question for you all.

Many people have been saying for some time that Kyle should have been playing a lot more challengers this year as opposed to accepting WCs into higher level ATP events. Does his current success over the last 2 weeks prove:

a) That those people have been proved right and this is what Kyle should have been playing all along or
b) It is the experience at the higher level resulting from WCs that have stood him in such good stead and that was always the right approach.

Guess we can argue that one until the cows come home.

TMH · Futures qualifying

Bob in Spain wrote:
And using this weeks rankings:

L32: (SE) Kyle Edmund WR 275 beat Marc Giner (ESP) WR 270 (CH 245 April 2013) 6-1 6-4

L16: (SE) Kyle Edmund WR 312 v (8) Ilija Bozoljac (SRB) WR 199 (CH 101 Jan 2007)

Well, for one of the rounds anyway!

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

And here's another question.

If Kyle breaks into the top 250ish in the next few weeks and therefore can play US Open Qualies on ranking, does he play in the US, or does he stay and continue to play the European Challengers in an effort to pick up some really big points.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Tuesday 15th of July 2014 09:15:54 PM

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

TMH wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
And using this weeks rankings:

L32: (SE) Kyle Edmund WR 275 beat Marc Giner (ESP) WR 270 (CH 245 April 2013) 6-1 6-4

L16: (SE) Kyle Edmund WR 275 v (8) Ilija Bozoljac (SRB) WR 199 (CH 101 Jan 2007)
Now corrected
Well, for one of the rounds anyway!

Duh. What a dufuss I am. My excuse ? It's getting late and I'm getting old.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Tuesday 15th of July 2014 09:15:08 PM

philwrig · Hall of fame

Bob in Spain wrote:
So, here's a question for you all.

Many people have been saying for some time that Kyle should have been playing a lot more challengers this year as opposed to accepting WCs into higher level ATP events. Does his current success over the last 2 weeks prove:

a) That those people have been proved right and this is what Kyle should have been playing all along or
b) It is the experience at the higher level resulting from WCs that have stood him in such good stead and that was always the right approach.

Guess we can argue that one until the cows come home.

Can I have c) that he has benefitted from playing some of the higher level tournaments, but that he could have played a few more challengers along the way.

Saying all that, his experiences from this year i.e. that there will be some downs along the way, will stand him in good stead when facing some downs in the future, so all good.

philwrig · Hall of fame

Bob in Spain wrote:
And here's another question.

If Kyle breaks into the top 250ish in the next few weeks and therefore can play USA Open Qualies on ranking, does he play in the US, or does he stay and continue to play the European Challengers in an effort to pick up some really big points.

That's a toughie, if he feels good physically and is in good form, why not. If not maybe not.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Don't want to get ahead of myself here, but 2nd seed Berankis got knocked out today. He was in Kyle's quarter of the draw.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Great start to the week. US open qualifiers would be a great experience, oh and surprise surprise I am a B.

I would put him in the very likely to be top 40 player, no college straight to ITF->Challenger tour plus use any edge possible to get exposure to ATP/slams experience in the bank that is going to get used.

Last year he wasn't quite strong enough to see off experienced opposition started well but tended to fade in 2 nd set and really flag in the third.

To be competitive over 5 sets against those ranked 150-50 is his next challenge.

BeefyDeedz · Pro player

Looks like Kyle is getting a break tomorrow. Should give him a chance to rest up before his next tough match.

paulisi · Tennis legend

I believe Kyle's big mistake was taking the wildcard in Miami - he now has two mandatory 0's on his record.

I'd like to see him continue to play hardcourt challengers and then go across and play US open qualifiers where he should make the cut off.

The objective should be to get that ranking inside the top 200 by the end of the year.(just we could have Andy, James, Evo, Cox and Edmund inside top 200)

indiana · Tennis legend

Although some tangential concerns have been expressed about some of Kyle's schedule and WCs, frankly his Miami Masters mandatory zero is a complete irrelevance to his ranking just now and almost certainly pretty irrelevant for the future.

As of now, including his R1 win here, he just has 17 counters, including his two mandatory zeros, so the mandatory zeros are not replacing anything.

For the future, hopefully he will have 18 or more positive scores, although he might not. But just looking at his current 17 counters : 6 are in double figures, 9 positive but less than 10, and 2 zeros. That is a fairly usual sort of distribution. So, even if we get to the stage of his mandatory zeros ( and the Miami one seems the only concern ) then they are almost certainly only going to be keeping out relatively few points. Even if, probably unlikely, it was two 10s that would represent very little in the overall rankings at the level we expect Kyle to be at.

And, of course, Kyle might have won in Miami.

Zero mandatories - just simply not a concern.