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RE: Wimbledon-Related Miscellany


No, Madeline, it makes you in the majority.

But there are some interesting points - it's good to highlight the different issues.


On a different topic, there's a rather unwelcome article, but also interesting, in the Mail re Naomi and the LTA (and Dave Rice) and the Broady family:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2664585/Tennis-bosses-ruined-raunchy-photo-British-star-slams-decision-strip-funding-posted-picture-posing-condom-machine-toilets.html

I thought the LTA were completely out of order at the time, and I still do.


Reading yesterday about jack Carpenter and George Morgan's previous childish misdemeanors which they were 'punished' for by being banned also reinforced it - it made me think that the LTA treat their players like a housemaster from an old-fashioned boarding school would. It reminds me of the Chinese authorities who made Li Na wear a big plaster over her tattoo because it wasn't 'suitable' - until she told there where to get off.

Again, I don;t think other European federations treat their players this way.

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Reading yesterday about jack Carpenter and George Morgan's previous childish misdemeanors which they were 'punished' for by being banned also reinforced it - it made me think that the LTA treat their players like a housemaster from an old-fashioned boarding school would. It reminds me of the Chinese authorities who made Li Na wear a big plaster over her tattoo because it wasn't 'suitable' - until she told there where to get off.


 I haven't heard anything about Jack and George getting in trouble before. Can you elaborate or do you have a link to an article?



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Coup Droit wrote:



Reading yesterday about jack Carpenter and George Morgan's previous childish misdemeanors which they were 'punished' for by being banned also reinforced it - it made me think that the LTA treat their players like a housemaster from an old-fashioned boarding school would. It reminds me of the Chinese authorities who made Li Na wear a big plaster over her tattoo because it wasn't 'suitable' - until she told there where to get off.


 I haven't heard anything about Jack and George getting in trouble before. Can you elaborate or do you have a link to an article?


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-1230340/Two-Britains-bright-young-tennis-talents-banned-following-incident-Spain.html



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Sorry, I have kind of suggested it before, but I'll say it clearer now, that that Daily Mail article is yet another example of misleading hype coming from the Broady family.

Yes, it seems that the LTA absolutely overreacted to some fairly trivial matters from a teenager. Their people management and understanding has often looked very dubious.

However, I can't recall what the sanctions prescribed were, but I am sure that they were not particularly longterm..

So, while the Broady family may have had a very good case to take exception to all this, there was to be me no way that the LTA should really be blamed for any longterm deprivation of funding or coaching back up ( gee, we know for a fact about Naomi being named in the AEGON funding squad one year, by misunderstanding or whatever, and I am sure she would have been in it for years, if the Broady family had allowed it ).

It's all very well having principles, but when you make the longterm situation worse by foolishly cutting off your nose to spite your face, then that's largely your problem.

So, whatever truth there is to the melodrama about a ruined career and forever more known as a "wild child" ( could have been forgotten many years ago ), the LTA were in my view misguided and unhelpful at a particular time. But longterm the blame lies much closer to home.

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Coup Droit wrote:

An interesting piece about sexism in tennis reporting/etc. in general and at Wimbledon in particular.

www.sportsonearth.com/article/80687504/a-handy-guide-to-keeping-sexism-out-of-womens-tennis-coverage

 

NB with a lovely big photo of our Gabi



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Saturday 21st of June 2014 09:56:04 PM


Great article. 



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How very  sad (if it's true) to hear that Simon Broady is barely talking to Liam because he has accepted LTA funding.   It looks to me as if Simon Broady is behaving like a petulant child.  It is so stupid to have blown the incident up out of all proportion and allowed it to be a cause of a rift with your son.



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We have heard for years how Naomi has suffered in her career due to her lack of funding. So let's sacrifice Liam on the alter of this blown out of proportion principle too - not !

All very sad, if true.


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Yes, I agree with KK and indiana.

I thought it was shocking the way Naomi was hung out to ridicule by the LTA at the time - not how you should deal with players that young even if they have done something wrong and I'm inclined to believe Naomi's version of events anyway (i.e. very silly to put the photo online but no drugs, no excessive alcohol, not in a playing or training block, just letting off some steam) so I can fully understand how the Broadys felt at the time.

But time has passed now, those at the top of the LTA have changed (at least, as far as I know the main people responsible have gone - maybe I'm wrong, obviously there must be plenty of factors we know nothing about) and 7 years down the line, it seems long past time to let bygones be bygones instead of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

That said, I like Naomi a lot (insomuch as any fan who doesn't know a player personally can, I mean) and respect her for trying to go it alone and, now, doing so well (a lot of what she has said in interviews about being self-sufficient is very good indeed) but if Liam has made up his mind that getting help from the LTA is what's best for him, it seems sad (and from what we know, not the fault of either child as far as I can see) that it has created a family rift.





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Also completely agree with the above.

The LTA were utterly daft and prudish in their treatment of Naomi (and Dave) - not during a tournament or even a training block, nothing illegal/dangerous/aggressive/racist etc., she's above the age of consent, if she wants to put a slightly raunchy photo of herself online, well, she'll probably regret it later but it's hardly anybody else's concern.

But it wasn't the 'LTA' as such who did so, but the people and policies of the LTA at the time. It's now 7 years later and, as the LTA said in their statement, it's a long time ago.

And, not to put too fine a point on it, if Mr. Broady Senior was actually offering to fund his children's career, he might have a point.

But if he can't, or won't (and no criticism there) then he's not really in any place to put pressure on his grown children to toe the party line. All credit to Liam for making his own decisions. And to Naomi for doing it her way. One size does not fit all.

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A question to those who are more au fait than I (which is pretty well anyone).

I'm slightly mystified by the Wimbledon scheduling. It's been clear that Saturday and Monday were going to be problematic with rain. Yet they've left key singles matches in later positions on show courts, despite the fact that it was fairly evident that they might not get played ... and played less important (mixed doubles, juniors) matches on some not entirely insignificant courts (eg a junior match second on Courts 3 and 16 on Saturday, a junior match first on Court 18 on Saturday) as well as on minor, untelevised courts. Hence three women's fourth rounds now needing to be played on women's QF day and the horrendous situation facing Wawrinka and Lopez (and slightly less horrendous but not great situation facing the winners of Nadal/Kyrgios and Federer/Robredo).

Is it that the players would object to playing on outside courts? Wawrinka's comments suggest he wouldn't, but he might be unusual. Or is it that they fear problems with crowd control or irate show-court ticket holders if Sharapova suddenly winds up for a 4th round match on Court 18 (say)?

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I completely agree, Spectator. And also agree with the related point you made on the other thread that Lopez has been treated very shabbily.

Several people on the other thread seemed to think there was a perfectly acceptable logic to it but I can't understand for the life of me why would you give preference to first round junior matches/mixed doubles when your main draw men's matches are so out of kilter and risk to be so disadvantageous to some of the players.

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I agree that the scheduling was poor, but the junior (and mixed doubles) matches were not to blame. The junior matches which eventually were played on courts 3 and 16 went on those courts in the evening when it was too late to complete the mens matches. The problem was that the schedule on most courts had womens singles matches before the mens (so Stan for instance was due to follow Serena and Ana on Court 1).

I expect the organisers were keen to try to protect womens QF day (though in the end they failed to even get all the womens matches through). However in my view delaying the men is a more serious problem because of playing best of 5 sets, and had they started all the courts used for third round matches with mens matches followed by womens then they would have completed all the mens 3rd round on time except possibly Bolelli-Nishikori (which was switched early on, but failed to complete) and Lopez-Isner. It is understandable that they would want at least 2 singles matches scheduled on the major show courts, but it needed the mens matches on first and accept that it was likely that it would not be possible to complete all the womens quarter-finals on Tuesday - women playing best of 3 sets 4 days running is a minor problem by comparison

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I think it's a case of they were never going to win this one. If they'd put all the singles matches spread over all the courts to get them all over with there would have been uproar about putting top players on outside courts - it might not have been Wawrinka squawking but it would have been someone - especially if the weather had turned out to be OK (which is always possible it's not like the forecasters never get it wrong).

It's just unlucky the rain fell at an awkward moment this year, and there haven't been many major thrillers/upsets so there isn't much else to talk about during the rain delays, they can't wax lyrical about who might win this year as the favourites are pretty much all still in (I know Serena is the exception and that a few top seeds in the women's draw have fallen but it's not as many and not in both draws like the last few years).

So, I guess what I'm saying is maybe it wasn't the best schedule today but I don't think it was as bad, or as big a deal as it has been made out to be by some pundits/players.

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Fair points, David C. And I completely agree (as per an earlier post in another thread) that they should have prioritised those who ran the risk of playing back-to-back five set matches over those who ran the risk of playing back-to-back three set matches. Also get the point that it's hard to win on scheduling. But I do think it's a big deal in some cases: Feliciano Lopez came into this tournament as the finalist at Queens and the winner at Eastbourne -  he should have a legitimate shot at a good run. But his schedule is such as to render that almost impossible. No player should be facing the prospect of four sets against Isner on Monday, however many sets against Wawrinka on Tuesday + a potential five sets of doubles shortly thereafter, and, if successful against Wawrinka, then Federer on Wednesday (and another doubles match?). It's just not fair play.



-- Edited by Spectator on Tuesday 1st of July 2014 06:48:00 AM

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Top singles players don't usually commit to doubles in slams, though, do they? I agree Lopez has got a bad deal in singles, but the fact that he is also playing doubles shouldn't cloud the issue.

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