Wild Cards

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

RE: Wild Cards

indiana · Tennis legend

Err and two people with actually very decent chances if in the main draw wouldn't be allowed to be drawn in qualifying against each other

Hmm, thanks folk, a bit of pondering ...

Spectator · All-time great

Actually, it would have been feasible. I think JMDP was ranked 141 or 142, no? So he would have been the 26th seed. Donaldson was the 14th seed, and I think they could indeed have faced each other (technically).

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Great to follow the US national championships, with the U18 winner getting a wildcard into the MD of the US Open.

And the runner-up getting a wildcard into the qualis of the US Open.
And the U16 winner getting a wildcard into the MD of the US Open juniors.
And the doubles winners get a doubles MD wildcard too.

So very sensible.....

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 13th of August 2017 08:39:05 AM

Oakland2002 · All-time great

I don't think that would work for British tennis as at U18 level we just don't have the depth of quality to justify a MD WC, I do however think a qualifying WC for Wimbledon would work on the men's side, the system for players still juniors but in transition strikes me as about right on the ladies side where their is less of a gap between the older juniors and the senior game.

Spectator · All-time great

Looking at the US Open draws, I'd also favour reserving two WCs for players who would have made the cut had it been held the week before the qualifying matches started, but didn't make the cut on the cut-off date. The top four seeds in this year's US Open qualies would all have made the cut had they held their current rankings at the time of the cut-off. And two - Mayer and Shapovalov - are well above the cut. Seems as if this would be fairer for them and for the other people in the qualies draw.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

The US Open has given main draw wildcards to Anisimova, age 16, and Claire Liu, also a junior.

As well as Whitney Osuigwe, age 16 (born 2002), who won the girls' championships.

And a little shout out for true tiddler (in age, if not in stature) Coco Graff, age 14, (born 2004), who has been given a wildcard into US qualis.

A really exciting girl to watch, just loved seeing her play at Roehampton, both this year and last.

I also love the fact the US gave wildcards to juniors McNally and Lao, AND Bethanie M-S, Gail Brodsky and Pegula, ages 33 and 27 and 24

flamingowings · All-time great

The US Open has given wildcards very well I feel - Stan and Kuznetsova have also been given them.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

No WC for Andy, I wonder whether this means he won't play.

indiana · Tennis legend

Helen40 wrote:
No WC for Andy, I wonder whether this means he won't play.

Andy is on the entry list with his protected ranking of 2.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

indiana wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
No WC for Andy, I wonder whether this means he won't play.
Andy is on the entry list with his protected ranking of 2.

Yes, I know, but for me it would be less political to drop put using a PR than a WC.

flamingowings · All-time great

Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
No WC for Andy, I wonder whether this means he won't play.
Andy is on the entry list with his protected ranking of 2.
Yes, I know, but for me it would be less political to drop put using a PR than a WC.

You're going to have to explain that Helen. I don't understand? Firstly, I think you can only use PR a certain amount of times for a certain period of time. Secondly, you would be using a WC that someone else on the list has been given.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
No WC for Andy, I wonder whether this means he won't play.
Andy is on the entry list with his protected ranking of 2.
Yes, I know, but for me it would be less political to drop put using a PR than a WC.
You're going to have to explain that Helen. I don't understand? Firstly, I think you can only use PR a certain amount of times for a certain period of time. Secondly, you would be using a WC that someone else on the list has been given.

I think it was Toronto Andy dropped out of, having done Stan out of a WC. I heard that Stan didn't mind, but who knows. In any case, this wouldn't be great for the other player's prep, and especially for a GS, could be considered quite selfish. However, a PR only affects yourself.

flamingowings · All-time great

Helen40 wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
No WC for Andy, I wonder whether this means he won't play.
Andy is on the entry list with his protected ranking of 2.
Yes, I know, but for me it would be less political to drop put using a PR than a WC.
You're going to have to explain that Helen. I don't understand? Firstly, I think you can only use PR a certain amount of times for a certain period of time. Secondly, you would be using a WC that someone else on the list has been given.
I think it was Toronto Andy dropped out of, having done Stan out of a WC. I heard that Stan didn't mind, but who knows. In any case, this wouldn't be great for the other player's prep, and especially for a GS, could be considered quite selfish. However, a PR only affects yourself.

Oh right, I hadn't read your original comment correctly - it's less political for Andy not to play with his PR although nobody knows that he won't be playing. To be honest, I think he needs to play - after all this is the last slam of the year and is another way to improve his fitness as there is no other opportunities for 5 set matches until the Australian Open.

Stan really didn't mind, no, at least that were his comments. The fans did, but he said he didn't. It was all a fuss over not very much at all.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
No WC for Andy, I wonder whether this means he won't play.
Andy is on the entry list with his protected ranking of 2.
Yes, I know, but for me it would be less political to drop put using a PR than a WC.
You're going to have to explain that Helen. I don't understand? Firstly, I think you can only use PR a certain amount of times for a certain period of time. Secondly, you would be using a WC that someone else on the list has been given.
I think it was Toronto Andy dropped out of, having done Stan out of a WC. I heard that Stan didn't mind, but who knows. In any case, this wouldn't be great for the other player's prep, and especially for a GS, could be considered quite selfish. However, a PR only affects yourself.
Oh right, I hadn't read your original comment correctly - it's less political for Andy not to play with his PR although nobody knows that he won't be playing. To be honest, I think he needs to play - after all this is the last slam of the year and is another way to improve his fitness as there is no other opportunities for 5 set matches until the Australian Open.
Stan really didn't mind, no, at least that were his comments. The fans did, but he said he didn't. It was all a fuss over not very much at all.

I heard Stan didn't mind too, but as I say, who knows what's really going on behind the scenes. Also, Stan's quite an old hand in the game, but a WC could have made a huge difference to a newer player.

I would say that it's the last GS of the year works both ways, and given that he dropped out of Toronto and, the tournament before says to me he's not fit enough even for a string of 3 set matches yet, so why risk a GS when it's the last one of the year. I know he's not a charity case, but if he drops out early, it will help someone else lower down, which he's quite into.