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Bob in Spain wrote:

Just saw briefly a clip on the news (didn't have live coverage) and there seemed to be a language problem with the umpire as well ? Andy said (I think) that Novak admitted his racket was OVER the net. The umpire said, "yes it was over the net, but not on the other side of the net".

Nuances of the English language seem to have been missed. Or did I get all this completely wrong.


Yes that's what I heard



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Hmm, sounds a very bad call. But it shouldn't have got to Andy so much .

The very good thing is how he has generally so upped his level in these lasr 3 matches.

On to the dirt...

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Thanks to everyone for the explanations.

If I've got it right, seems a bit of a howler of an umpiring decision but a real shame that Andy took it to heart so much ???

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I agree it was a real shame that mentally Andy couldn't get over the umpire's mistake in the second set (especially in the games after he lost the break) but I really don't think any player would have won the game it happened in, it was such a bad call at such an important point against a player you cannot afford to give any free points to and at a point when Andy was looking really good to come through in the tiebreak.

On that note, I do think Andy was playing his best tennis again and for 11 games of the first set and the first 5 in the second I truly felt he could beat Djokovic today - if you'd offered that at the beginning of the week I think we'd all have taken it.

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Coup Droit wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the explanations.

If I've got it right, seems a bit of a howler of an umpiring decision but a real shame that Andy took it to heart so much ???


 It only affected him in the immediate aftermath (which unfortunately cost him the set). He was playing even better by the early stages of the second set.



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No, he was still grumbling on at the umpire in the middle of the second set. He really must learn to let these things go.

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I just noticed that Andy will now only have made it past the QF stage in one Slam or Masters event in the last year, well down on his consistenct last four or better level of the past. Yes, he has had his back issue and totally missed 3 of these mandatory events, but still..

Right enougb, he did OK in the one he did get past the QF :)

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Further idly ruminating, to think Andy was two sets down to Verdasco in the Wimbledon QF.

What followed that day and in the next few days changed his life and basically made him a legend, OK a GB legend.

That's a bit different from having lost that match, and ( if everything else had followed the same course ) have made no mandatory SFs in the last year and about to be WR 10, behind Isner and Raonic, and just shead of Gasquet and Tsonga.

OK, OK, I know winning Wimbledon undoubtably effected him, particularly during the following North American hard court masters events and the US Open, so there's a causal effect ( making it all maybe a bit bunkum ), but just saying....

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indiana wrote:

Further idly ruminating, to think Andy was two sets down to Verdasco in the Wimbledon QF.

What followed that day and in the next few days changed his life and basically made him a legend, OK a GB legend.

That's a bit different from having lost that match, and ( if everything else had followed the same course ) have made no mandatory SFs in the last year and about to be WR 10, behind Isner and Raonic, and just shead of Gasquet and Tsonga.


Have you ... seen the light?

"A recurrent theme of this book is that luck plays a large role in every story of success; it is almost always easy to identify a small change in the story that would have turned a remarkable achievement into a mediocre outcome." [Thinking Fast and Slow]



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Thete is always a certain ( usually small ) element of luck in sport and many othrr things. it is appreciating the balance and conting the controllables to take luck as much ss possible out of the equation, but accepting it when it comes to your aid.

For instance Novak got a lucky call against Andy yesterday from a dopey umpire. But he won mainly because he has made himself a great tennis player and to some degree Andy lost focus. These are controllables. Andy puts that point behind him immediately and that elemebt of luck wpuld not have had such an effect.

Now back to that Wimbledon QF. Yes, life became so different for Andy with himpulling rpund that match and the subsequent events. But how much of that was really luck ? Remarkable how often he's been "lucky" enough to do so. Wel, I'd sughest not so remarkable when you have some history of comimg back from two sets down. That is clearly not unconnected tp Andy's compdtitive spirit and it certainly owes a huge deal to the fitness work he puts in.

If Verdasco had kept on at a great level and Andy hadn't again upped his game and shown resilience he could have been out. That clearly is rather more than just luc but hey it cpuld have happened. I'd tbough suggest that the fact that it didn't owed s great deal tp the controllsbles and was no great surprise.

Indeed keep putting in all that work, which help get you to later stages of championships and there is a fair chance you might end a champion. You might even get a lucky break in a final, an opponent could get injured, but the more you fo to get yourself in that position in the first place then at some stage ypu will get some good luck when it really matters.

Of course luck can and does often does play a part, but so do so many other controllable factors. That is largely why the tried an tested "big" teams and players wi. More often than not.

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Been on the vinegar Indy?

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Hey ho, I did my not totally unusual and submitted the above in error before I had tried to properly edit typos. On my moble so you're stuck with it folk :)

Anyway, "luckily" ( possibly mainly for you ) I had pretty much reached the end, although I would no doubt have found something more to say about in many ways a quite complex subject that certainly has much more to it than selected soundbites, no matter from what source.

Anyway, it seems remarkably readable.

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TMH, our posts crossed, and not the first time such a suggestion has been made.

I resemble that remark :)

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And having beaten Muzza in the QF, Djoko gets a nice little WO into the final as Nishikori withdraws.

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Having already had a bye and another WO. How lucky is this guy?

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