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RE: Entries Week 14 - 31/03/2014


short version: i disagre too many $10K globally, not enough bigger events

long rambeling version:
i disagre that we should hold more women $10K there are plenty of events at this level every single week in europe within easy reach for modern travelers the LTA should subsidise groups like the japanese federation does- they play all round the world every week at all levels in clusters
we got advantage cos were so close to so many $10K in europe we should be able to do that to

the problem with the ITF womens calendar is that there are far to many $10Ks and almost nothing held above it globally every nation is doing the same in isolation - holding $10Ks to give their players a start

when they do get a start theres almost nowhere for them to ever play maybe 1 or 25K+ per week global - this means that these events get over subscribed and players often drop doen to play in them like players whho should be aiming at 50K+ to progress there ranking coming down to $25K because there aint no 75K+ which is where they should be at but they got no choice cos thoses events arent regular enough

so $25K becomes more competitive than its rewards should make it and people coming strait out of $10K often find it hard to progress
when you get to about ~700 in the ranks you should be looking up but its regular for ~150-300 rank players to fill the lists in $25K events- thats a massive jump there aint no $15K really in the year that level is ignored mostly by organisers

this is farther exsasurbated by big - $50K+- events when held often several being held 2/3 in the same week (like this week osprey & croissy) - then nothing for weeks on end elsewhere - the whole global ~WR100-500 swarm on these events
there should be a 50K 2 $25K and about a dozen $10K every week in the feb-sept part of the season

so you go from $10K - your start in the pros to steping up against ~WR250 in $25K and many just get overwelmed and live in $10K forever with a few scraps elsewere
the cream will naturally rise but the pyramid is all unbalanced at the moment

we CAN afford the money as a federation to supply the £25K+ events quota AND at the same time send and subsidise our players to easily reachable events in europe and places like sharm/antlaya
dont mean we should hold none of them but the balance is just about right now

there should be a cycle where we are farming people through their overseas $10K period in to the domestic $25K+ because we have enough prospects and a continuous flow of them and the gooduns have proved themselves capable at the lower level and so will get into bigger home events on merit and do betterer in them stopping the laments of "$25K and we got none through qualies they all lost 1&0 they aint good enough at this level" etc

but the lta need to actualy do stuff for all this to change and that aint gonna happen coz its been like that for donkeys years and nothing ever changes
our sucsesfull players do so in spite of there LTA not coz of it

but looking at the crowds for womens tennis and the interest the whole thing seems in big strife
eg when you got serena WR1 in her backyard in her home nation all conkering champ in a three set thriller against a hot young prospect on a saturday afternoon with no other major sports on and its the only match sceduled at a top level tournament on the calendar (Miami) and the stands are STILL 4/5 empty until half way through the third set when it gets to about 40% full - then well the whole thing seems increasing unsustaneable
the stands even in prem M always empty or thereabouts until SF rounds TV deals cant be so sweet as to offset that all
but then again thats why there so man y events in china now - thats ofseting the imbalance with its mega bucks but that cant last neither

ho hum! [/rant]

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Fair rant, but there should be some co-ordination across the nations to find an even match of 10k/25k/50K+ tournaments.

There should be at least 1x25K or higher per continent each week and preferably more than one in the bigger tennis playing nations i.e Europe

I would be interested to see the breakdown of nations that compromise the ITF range (75 - 250 ranked) and compare to how many of these events they put on a year and work out which nations are not pulling their weight.

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Yes, fair rant.

But actually from the GB point of view, I don't think it's really our problem.

i.e. the French, Germans et al should be putting on more 25ks and 50 ks, which would be appropriate for their players (which is roughly in line with what paulisi is saying).

Our players of that level can easily travel to those.

But our slightly lower players need the 10ks and can't afford so well to travel around Europe. And, actually, the better GB girls might well benefit too. There's a lot to be said for actually trying to win a tournament as opposed to being happy to make the QF at best.

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There does seem generally an awfully poor distribution of tournaments through the year.

A really fallow period around now, but if last year is repeated there will be more than enough later in the year.

As paulisi said, there should be some knocking together of heads from many countries, and sort out a better schedule.

And yes, as CD suggests, have more 25Ks spread through Europe. Yes, there is plenty easy and cheap travel, but that is still clearly much easier for our genuine 25K girls than for our.much more modestly ranked / unranked players looking for 10K opportunities.

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On my point about travelling clearly being more of an option for the higher ranked 25K competitive players, I do think that TomTraubert makes a very reasonable point about subsidising groups of up and coming players to stay and play for a few weeks in say Egypt or Turkey.

I don't know the details at all, but I have previously got the impression that fairly long term bookings at these rezorts are not particularly expensive, so it perhaps wouldn't really need that much subsidy.

On the subject of 25Ks though, I see Phil's point about the big runs of.25Ks in Australia, but to me that is something we should be seeking to more than match in Europe ( eg. as paulisi suggests, say more than one at leadt 25K ITF tournament a week in Europe ), i.e. Europe should be much more the comparison rather than GB.

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Obviously no surprise here but Evans has now withdrawn from the St Brieuc challenger.

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Hope Dave gets there OK, saw him looking thoroughly lost due to the ongoing 'improvements' of London Bridge train station this morning.  A 6"4 guy with a big tennis bag over his shoulder walking amongst a herd of impatient commuters at 9am stuck out like a sore thumb! biggrin



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Just noted that the 15k in Australia currently has:

18 MD entrants - 17 Aussies, 1 Swede
55 QD entrants - 52 Aussies and 3 foreigners

Now that's a real 'home' party . . .

And the 15k in Algeria is horribly weak - points for turning up.

Mind you, both are outdoors on clay.

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...and Aussie is a slight trek !

I notice though that some girls have not gone out lately for a month or so to attack their 25Ks as in the past.



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Looks like Toby has made main draw in Greece(assuming his back is OK) and Harry and George will be seeded.

JWH should make main draw in Qatar

Naomi looks like she has made main draw at Edgbaston - no sign of any wildcards on the ITF site. They normally are shown on a Thursday evening.

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The British challenge will be led by British No.4, Naomi Broady, British No.5 Sam Murray and British No.6 Tara Moore. Broady will be arriving in the West Midlands on the back of winning a $10k title in Sharm El Sheikh, whilst 21 year-old Moore returns having reached the semi-final in 2013.

British No.5, Sam Murray, who has only recently returned to competition after a lengthy injury lay-off, will be looking to use Edgbaston as a springboard back towards her highest ranking of 165, which she held last September before her enforced time on the sidelines.

In addition there should be local interest in the qualifying event, with 20 year old Manisha Foster from Moseley, who is a member of the club though currently based at the Soto Academy in Spain, whilst 16 year-old Emily Smith, from Erdington, is hoping to play qualifying, having trained at the club since the age of 12.

Richard Joyner, Tournament Director, said: "This is my first year at Edgbaston, and Im really looking forward to next week. It is a particularly strong womens $25k event with a number of former top 75 players all coming to the West Midlands. Whilst, with the British number 4, 5, and 6 also in action there promises to be some great tennis on show, and entry for spectators is free throughout the week."

Taken off the LTA website - thus i suspect Sam and Tara have wildcards and Emily has a WCQ.

 



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With no SE's to clear Richard Gabb is 2 away from main draw at Leon as is David Rice at St Brieuc

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Both now 1st ALTs.

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