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RE: Week 4 - Challenger ($50,000) - Maui, Hawaii, USA (Hard)


korriban wrote:
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Unfortunately any sane observer seeing the dip in his form,

Cracked record I know, but surely the more rational explanation is that the 6 weeks last summer represented a spike in his form, and what has happened since is just regression to the mean.


 Indeed. cracked record. I agree with Indy's Response. I guess what frustrates me is that so many LTA types have behaved so patiently, positively and professionally towards Dan for so many years. To have this thrown back in their faces so consistently, so negatively and so unprofessionaly (why pretend otherwise) must be galling in the extreme. Just how hard can it be to agree a plan and stick to it?


If those assuming the worst have got this right (and we don't know the full story here, so the "if" is important), the saddest thing is that in a decade or two's time, he's going to look back and be far more frustrated with his young self than all the people who've tried to help (and all of us) put together, and it'll be too late to do anything about it.



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korriban wrote:
Ratty wrote:
korriban wrote:
Unfortunately any sane observer seeing the dip in his form,

Cracked record I know, but surely the more rational explanation is that the 6 weeks last summer represented a spike in his form, and what has happened since is just regression to the mean.


 Indeed. cracked record. I agree with Indy's Response. I guess what frustrates me is that so many LTA types have behaved so patiently, positively and professionally towards Dan for so many years. To have this thrown back in their faces so consistently, so negatively and so unprofessionaly (why pretend otherwise) must be galling in the extreme. Just how hard can it be to agree a plan and stick to it?


 I am a huge fan of Dan's tennis but I have to agree with this. Leon Smith has really gone out on a limb for Dan and by all accounts has stood up for him even when so many other people associated with British tennis have advised him not to do so. He must really feel like this is a massive kick in the teeth and I while I suspect he won't pull the rug on Dan completely I wouldn't blame him if he did.

As someone who has watched a lot of British futures matches over the last few years it really is immensely frustrating when you see guys like Cox, Corrie, Marsalek and others who have only a fraction of Dan's talent but put in so much to maximise what they have got and then see Dan waste his talent. And yes, steven is right, if Dan doesn't sort himself out and ends up wasting his career he will surely look back in years to come and wonder might have been if only he had been willing to commit 100% to his career.



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Yes, gawd knows how frustrating it must be for these who invest time and effort into Evo if a fraction of what many are thinking ( and have thought ) is indeed true. The LTA has often had criticism in the past for let's say a lack of empathy. They ( and Leon it seems particularly ) seem to have been great over recent times with Evo, and he did seem to be giving back.

I mean I found it frustrating myself having got solidly behind Evo working away at US Challengers after the US Open, feeling he was showing good attitude and resolve against pretty decent opponents without quite getting the results, and saying I was pleased to see that he was going to move onto a set of Asian Challengers.

The next thing was he was pulling out of Asia after one week ( and disappointing result ) with a forum poster telling us that he was basically burnt out for the season. Hmm, a bit strange thought I, but maybe he did need a break and I looked forward to him having a good, productive close season and come out ready to progress further in the new year.

Now this year has started as it has ( and actually the Australian Open tennis part wasn't that bad ).

Too many things seem to happen with this very talented guy that his ( I think dwindling ) apologists must surely be beginning to feel some of the frustrations of so many others. Not that I won't be amazed to see someone pop in to exclaim that this is all hypothetical and noone here knows the truth.

Evo played very well in the period before the US Open, at the US Open and as I said not badly immediately afterwards. This was no statistical deviation from the norm, what it was was a very talented tennis player at last showing for a bit more sustained period what he had shown in flashes before.

Unfortunately, the guy is a walking disaster area with what goes on or doesn't go on in his head. When he's back in the UK, he needs to pull out some of those tapes from last year where he talked apparently so honestly ( almost movingly ) about how he recognised that he had been wasting his talents, lacking the necessary dedication and letting folk down, but finally the messages had got through. I was in here posting with many others that it was great to hear and how we looked forward to the "new" Dan and behold we were seeing it at the US Open. Has a look of can't cope with failure, can't cope with success, can't cope with building a career.

When Evo came out with these comments ( I believe after the Russia Davis Cup win ), as many said he was still a young man, and had time still on his side and he could maybe almost now use the recognition of wasted time to his advantage.

Well now we are into the next year and the signs are not good. Get out these tapes Dan, reflect on them and reflect that time does move on. Don't let it leave you behind !

Yes, he himself will possibly end up being the one with most sorrow for eventually there may be many others who frankly don't give a ****.



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One of the former LTA fitness trainers tweeted at the end of 2013 that Dan had gone off the rails once again. I took him to task. So did Dan BTW. But he insisted he was correct and that it was openly being discussed in tennis circles. What must his new sponsors and his new agents be thinking.



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I feel for Mr Evans. Whatever the case in this particular event (and as Steven points out, we don't know the full facts), it continues to illustrate the problem of being, at least until recently, the second-most-gifted GB player at a time where we want to be so much more than we are. If a decent Challenger-level player with the potential to be top 100 wasn't applying himself fully in, say, France or Spain, would it be the topic of such anguish? No. People would recognise that some people are temperamentally gifted with a desire to succeed, and some aren't. We all know that Mr Evans combines exceptional athletic gifts with a distinct ambivalence about the dedication needed to use them. That's his set of issues to resolve; it's just misfortune that it gets played out on the national stage.

It is quite probable that some of the very qualities that frustrate tennis fans - his preference for being with his friends rather than undergoing the rigours of training and playing in foreign places, for example - mean that he has a tight-knit community to which to return, where he will be able to live an ordinary life and occasionally regale people in the future with the stories of his tremendous DC moments, and no one will really care about what he could have been. And maybe he won't either. Which is, provided he's doing something useful in another context, every bit as legitimate as giving his all to becoming a tennis player. It's just a game, after all.

What's not fair in anyone's case is to waste other people's resources or their time and good will, and to behave in ways that generally don't show responsibility and good judgement. I can't really judge whether Mr Evans does this or not, though many clearly think he does. If he does, though, is it fair to wonder whether being freed from the burdens of expectations in tennis (which have a lot to do with factors extrinsic to him, and which have been placed on him since he was a young teen) he might find the scope to develop or manifest precisely those qualities of responsibility, professionalism, and gratitude that we'd all like to see in ourselves and others (and so often don't ... on all fronts). At any rate, that's one for him to work out with the people involved. For myself, I just hope for him (as for anyone) that "the sinner has a future," whatever sphere it's in.

(NB: I assume that most people reading this board know that the quote relates to Mr Evans' tattoo ... but articulating it just in case!)



-- Edited by Spectator on Thursday 23rd of January 2014 07:39:05 AM



-- Edited by Spectator on Thursday 23rd of January 2014 10:16:35 AM

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To be honest, I haven't really been following the Dan story this time because (a) I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and it's sad that the doubt is evaporating, (though not gone?) and (b) like several others 6 months ago, I never thought Dan was home and dry and was convinced that there would be problems again, and again it's sad to see that this seemingly proving true, and rather soon.

So I may be off base here, or just repeating the obvious, but isn't there suddenly a serious girlfriend now in the picture ? She seems to be popping up in various people's tweets and things. Well, I wish him well if it's true and 'love is a wonderful thing' but he might want to reflect on how he will be feeling (and possibly where that relationship might be?) at the end of 2014 if he's achieved nothing over the past 12 months and burnt through the US Open prize money . . ..



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Coup Droit wrote:

So I may be off base here, or just repeating the obvious, but isn't there suddenly a serious girlfriend now in the picture ? She seems to be popping up in various people's tweets and things. Well, I wish him well if it's true and 'love is a wonderful thing' but he might want to reflect on how he will be feeling (and possibly where that relationship might be?) at the end of 2014 if he's achieved nothing over the past 12 months and burnt through the US Open prize money . . ..


Tweet from Julien Hoferlin on January 11th

"Have a great flight back home @georginaginax and see you very soon ! You have been a amazing support during the last 16 days #Evo #Thanks"

Tweet from Dan a few hours later

"Feeling lost tonight"

 

Read into that what you will.

It would however seems that this girl has the good sense to protect her tweets. Dan's previous girlfriend did not do so and her tweets often raised serious concerns about what Dan was up to. I never commented on them at the time because I didn't think it fair to bring up what was being tweeted by someone who is not a public figure.



-- Edited by RJA on Thursday 23rd of January 2014 12:43:45 PM

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