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RE: Week 44 - Challenger ($75,000) - Charlottesville, VA, USA (hard)


QR1: George Coupland WR 930 beat (q1) Ed Corrie WR 336 by 7-5 7-6(5)
QR1: Josh Milton WR 606 beat Carsten Ball (AUS) WR 915 : 6-4, 4-6, 6-4
QR1: (q7) Dan Smethurst WR 482 beat (WC) Ronald Powell (USA) WR 1677 6-4 6-4
QR1: (q3) David Rice WR 374 defeated Dennis Nevolo (USA) WR 644 by 7-6(4) 6-3
QR1: Greg Ouellette (USA) WR 666 defeated Sean Thornley WR 1405 by 4-6 6-3 6-4

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Coup Droit wrote:
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None of them are in any sort of form so it's a very tricky one to guess. I would even fancy George at this stage, who has done ok lately.


 well, Dave made the final last week so that's not too shabby (even if it was just a 10k).

 

But agree about George - seems to have found his stride and Ed is certainly not on great form.


 Sorry - was only referring to those in the top quarter. Dave has indeed been doing ok of late, although perhaps not as well as he was a few months ago (although the same can be said for most of the Brits these last few weeks to be honest!)



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QR2: George Coupland WR 930 v Josh Milton WR 606
QR2: (q7) Dan Smethurst WR 482 v (WC) Ryan Shane (USA) WR 1677
QR2: (q3) David Rice WR 374 v Greg Ouellette (USA) WR 666

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paulisi wrote:

lets hope Dan wins so we get a GB qualifier.

I think Josh is in decent form and will probably qualify.


 
I'm just going by his results, but I'd say that Josh has been playing poorly! In a way, I'm glad that all these guys are in the same section, because Corrie, Smethurst and Josh have all had a lean trip.

Edit: relatively yeah, Josh is in good form. biggrin


Fantastic field here - the main draw is so much stronger than the bigger Challengers that we saw in California last month.



-- Edited by Salmon on Sunday 27th of October 2013 02:38:51 PM

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George's win against Ed is a career best ranking scalp, since Ed will be ranked around the same as he is now on Monday and George's previous best scalp was WR 369 (Michael Look, Felixstowe 2012)


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lets hope Dan wins so we get a GB qualifier.

I think Josh is in decent form and will probably qualify.

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What is going on. I had a little "siesta" for an hour and when I wake up, Dave has completely turned it around.

Now 4-1* up in the decider.

Looks ike my "sleeping" tactic which worked to such good effect for James Ward last week, has worked again. Just hope I haven't woken up a couple of games too soon.



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Sunday 27th of October 2013 04:14:49 PM

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Comeback complete and Dave wins 6-3 in the 3rd.

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Beaten to the result by SC again cry



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Sunday 27th of October 2013 04:19:36 PM

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Looks like Ed has completely lost his game, and this'll hit him hard when he loses all those points early next year. All that he can do is keep fighting, I guess, and things will change sometime or the other.

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George was broken in all 3 of his service games in the second set.



-- Edited by RJA on Sunday 27th of October 2013 07:00:48 PM

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I doubt even the most pessimistic/cynical among us would have predicted a 19-year-old ranked 1677 (CH 1624, junior CH 609) to come through a section containing Ed, Dan, George and Josh. So, er, let's hope Josh can help GB avoid the ultimate Shane shame.


In fairness it looks like Ryan Shane is one of these annoying college players who is much better than his ranking suggests.


Yes, I'm sure he's a bit of a rankings ringer, but even so. Of course, this is further evidence of what we already knew - that if you're going to have a go at Challenger qualifying, the US is the riskiest (and thus stupidest?) place to do it, all other things being equal, since while the Challenger main draws in the US aren't ridiculously strong, qualifying (especially on the east coast) always seems to be a minefield full of under-ranked college players.


I realise all other things are not equal if there are no hard court Challengers elsewhere or if the other options are isolated events that it is harder to build a schedule around, but it wouldn't have taken a genius to work out that Asia or Australia would be better bets at the moment.

Of course, no doubt there are reasons we are not aware of but the real concern is that it might make players give up on the idea of trying Challengers and drop back to Futures again quicker than would be good for them long-term. 

We may yet get 2 players through to the main draw despite the minefield - if so, they will have done very well.



-- Edited by steven on Sunday 27th of October 2013 08:33:10 PM

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steven wrote:
I realise all other things are not equal if there are no hard court Challengers elsewhere or if the other options are isolated events that it is harder to build a schedule around, but it wouldn't have taken a genius to work out that Asia or Australia would be better bets at the moment.

In the case of Ed, Josh and Dan they have all been in the States since week 39 with Ed and Josh set to stay there until at least week 46. That is an 8 week tour mixing challengers and futures. While you have pointed to some of the downsides all in all it seems sensible scheduling to me



-- Edited by RJA on Sunday 27th of October 2013 08:38:09 PM

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 steven wrote:

RJA - yes, that's fair enough, I guess all other things weren't equal here - I just worry about players feeling pushed into giving up on Challengers before they've really had chance to get going in them, and not getting regular points from them because you are in unusually strong qualifying draws seems like the most likely reason for players dropping back down.

 


 
I'm sure what you've said happens all the time, but if at this age you are still stuck in Futures, you're not making a living out of the singles Tour, that is more or less guaranteed. Some fairy godmother doesn't appear to guys like Prodon at the age of 28 - it's just that the penny finally drops, or they stop getting injured. The ability to regularly beat people in the 100-200 range has to be there by the time you are 24 or 25 (and I'm probably being generous here), and you're not getting it at the Futures level. Now I have a lot of respect, and time, for anyone who plays Futures, but the standard of tennis is way below what you have at the top (duh).

 I quite liked the Boggo approach where he kept going for Challengers, no matter what his ranking was. Obviously Boggo was playing a much higher level of tennis than what the players here are doing, even in his troughs, but you have to admire his confidence.

So please, boys, keep entering Challengers regularly, irrespective of where you're ranked. Otherwise you're not getting there, anyway, so what's there to lose?







-- Edited by Salmon on Sunday 27th of October 2013 09:34:28 PM

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Dave is *2-4 down in the 1st set.

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Dave in all sorts of trouble

2-6, *0-2

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