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johnnylad


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indiana wrote:

I probably have a vested interest here, because it is myself that suggested changing the combined ranking figure from "WR" to "CR".

I really do think that "CR" was an improvement over "WR" as a prefix for exactly the same figure ( the addition of the two individual doubles world rankings ). Thus I made the suggestion, which was taken up, and most folk seem quite happy with it. I guess if folk didn't generally like the change idea, it would never have happened at the time.

 Could somebody (Salmon?) dredge this up as I feel like I completely missed it at the time. (Chance are I have posts all over the thread!) I guess for me that forms a little more of my dislike as I don't think I was a party to the initial discussions (not due to any fault of anyone involved in them I hasten to add).

We'll have to agree to disagree on this as I am clearly in a minority (of 1) despite hating it passionately as I do!

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but can somebody settle another nagging annoyance/memory - have singles rankings ever been used to make up part of a doubles pairs' world ranking for a given event i.e. dubs No7 playing with singles No74 having a ranking for the tournament of 81, or have they been used for entry list purposes but not for the tournament itself, or both, or neither?

 



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johnnylad, a couple of further points :

1) The thread you point to from May, giving "WR"s was, as I assumed, giving combination / addition rankings.

eg. for Josh Milton & Andrew Whittington (AUS) WR 2007, that "WR" was a sum of their individual doubles rankings at the time, 1628T + 379.

I would again question which is potentially more misleading for this, "WR" or "CR" ?

2) In truth I don't recall there being any great discussion at the time of the change. I believe I just put it put it out there as a suggestion with some of my reasoning for it, there was no real objection, possibly a couple of responses seeing what I was getting at. And stircrazy ( I think ) set the ball rolling by moving to "CR". It basically didn't create any real discussion / controversy, so it would not be at all surprising that you would miss it.

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Maybe CWR would be a better abbreviation and a compromise.

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,,.and /or just quote the individual rankings as well ?

eg. Josh Milton and Andrew Whittington (AUS) CWR 2007 ( 1628 + 379 )

Maybe getting a bit messy, but clear ?



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indiana wrote:

In truth I don't recall there being any great discussion at the time of the change. I believe I just put it put it out there as a suggestion with some of my reasoning for it, there was no real objection, possibly a couple of responses seeing what I was getting at. And stircrazy ( I think ) set the ball rolling by moving to "CR". It basically didn't create any real discussion / controversy, so it would not be at all surprising that you would miss it.

 Any idea when?



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Not really, other than in the last year, but I've got an idea for looking, so I'll get back...

Still absolutely confused about the big deal of still using the same figure, but just calling it "CR" rather than "WR", but hey..

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indiana wrote:

The thread you point to from May, giving "WR"s was, as I assumed, giving combination / addition rankings.

eg. for Josh Milton & Andrew Whittington (AUS) WR 2007, that "WR" was a sum of their individual doubles rankings at the time, 1628T + 379.

I would again question which is potentially more misleading for this, "WR" or "CR" ?

For me CR but I know I'm the only one.

I think my memory of a "change" has probably just mutated from us actually including rankings at all - I know WR and CR are saying the same thing as per your example quoted - I've never thought anything different.

I guess the problem of doubles pairings being misunderstood due to one of them missing a ranking against the pair the other side of the net each having a ranking but only one which indicates their lack of class as per Gabb's opponents in Greece last week or the week before is the only REAL problem.

And I suppose, in cases such as that I could be less of an @rse and just post a helpful piece of additional info such as the one doubles ranking possessed  + singles ranking of the partner and leave it at that.

Much as I appreciate the other suggestions they seem clunky too and as the only problem seems to be with me I'll just have to put up with it.

(Still on a personal level I hate it and disagree that CR is any more useful/helpful than WR - i.e. my arguments rather than yours   )

Finally as someone with barely any interest in doubles I DON'T KNOW WHY I CARE!!!!



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Eventually found the discussion, such as it was, having quite early narrowed it down to around week 28 / 29.

Week 28 - Challenger - Sheveningen, Netherlands

From week 29 ( indeed the end of some week 28 threads ), "CR" generally replaced "WR".

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Thanks for dredging that up.
Interesting to see your original thoughts without the lens of the more recent discussion.

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Lol at this discussion. Brilliant!

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They've done it!

R1: Treat Huey (PHI) & Dominic Inglot CR 56 defeated (2) Aisam-ul-Haq Qureshi & Jean-Julien Rojer (PAK/NED) CR 30 by 2-6 7-6(4) [10-8]  biggrin

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QF:  Denis Istomin & Horacio Zeballos (UZB/ARG) CR 146 (107+39) vs Treat Huey (PHI) & Dominic Inglot CR 56 (25+31)



-- Edited by Stircrazy on Wednesday 23rd of October 2013 09:49:31 PM

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Stircrazy wrote:

R1:  Colin Fleming & Jonny Marray CR 57 vs Julian Knowle & Oliver Marach (AUT/AUT) CR 87

First set down the pan by 2-6. cry



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Have the boys steadied the ship?  They break for a *3-1 lead in the second set.



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Nope. no  Break recovered by the Austrian pair:  5-4*. hmm



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Not to be:

R1:  Julian Knowle & Oliver Marach (AUT/AUT) CR 87 defeated Colin Fleming & Jonny Marray CR 57 by 6-2 7-6(1) disbelief



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