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Re JWH, and without looking it all up, does anyone know what his junior career/progression was ?

I was under impressed by Liam yesterday but am the first to say that I may well be wrong (just one day, one and half sets, windy, a bit flat from having just won, whatever . . .). And it was certainly a good game. However, you see what you see . . .

But I'm absolutely sure about Josh's potential (again, so what but hey. . .).

My question re his junior career (indeed when did he take up tennis ? did he do another sport first ? when did he stop growing ?) is that he hasn't got it all together yet. Just in terms of effective point construction, point after point. Lack of experience ? 'Boyish joy' in simply trying a shot/something for fun ? Not quite realising what had to be done and when ?
When you see tennis broken down on those assessment sheets into technique, athletic prowess, natural ball skills and mental skills, for me Josh ticks the first three as 10/10. But not the fourth. It's not mental weakness as in giving up and throwing in the towel, and I don;t know about his work ethic but I;m guessing it's fine (he looks in good shape), but his mental appreciation of his game, his opponents' game, not going AWOL sometimes, etc. etc. are not great.

I think it'll take some time to get it all in place. He's only 19.

NB I ask about when he stopped growing re his serve. He's a tall bloke, and strong (and will be quite a physically scary sight when he's into his twenties) but some tall guys need longer to get their serves consistent and sorted out, especially if they did most of their growing later in their teens, rather than early teens. Don't know, just wondering . ..

 

Pretty sure JHW took basketball pretty far as well.  Think he was picked for some GB/England youth squad once..

 

Google reveals he was park of the 2010 UK U16 team in the European Championships, playing significant minutes in every game.  So it may be the case that he has only been taking tennis seriously for around 3 years or so,

There's some footage of him playing at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOODudwy8Ig, where it also reveals that he was England U16 player of the year in 2010.

He is also mentioned as one of our top young basketball prospects in an article from only a year ago! http://www.mvp247.com/2012/08/end-of-an-era-for-gb/

... and at http://www.hoopsfix.com/2010/09/7-breakout-players-of-summer-2010/, with a pic caption "Josh Ward-Hibbert is fast becoming known more for his basketball than his tennis" it says:

"Tennis?! Its hard to believe Josh Ward-Hibberts primary sport is actually tennis-the kid is ranked 180th in the world in his age group! But trust me, he can ball too and this summer he has firmly put himself on the map. A member of the England U16 team at the Division B FIBA European U16 Championships, he was named to the All Tournament Team after averaging 18.1 ppg (4th), 6.1 rpg, 1.1 apg and 3.6 spg (3rd).

Providing he sticks with it and doesnt choose the tennis route, I expect Ward-Hibbert to remain a stalwart of England and GB international programmes for years to come."



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Brilliant, steven - so we managed to steal GB Basketball's rising star !

Well, Federer always said that juniors should have at least two sports (although he then claimed that his second one was squash! I'm not sure that's quite 'different' enough . . . ). Several top juniors i know also did football to national standard before they were 16. Why not - all complimentary . . .

Congrats to Ed and, in particular, to Jathan - both won easily in two sets.

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Jathan's win against Lewis (391 places above him) is his 2nd biggest ranking scalp (Brunken earlier this year, ranked slightly higher then than Lewis is now, was his biggest) and is likely to take him into the ATP top 1000 for the first time.

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james M closes out his match 7-5 6-3

JWH was cruising, a break up, having faced 0 BP, and is currently having a wobble 4-4 15-40 down

Liam/Marcus and Josh P just starting

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Good win for Marzi.

Lewis Burton is very hit and miss at the moment

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paulisi wrote:

Good win for Marzi.

Lewis Burton is very hit and miss at the moment

The 2 occasions I've seen Lewis play, I thought he looked like a strong/fit/athletic individual - but without being athletic in a tennis sense (balanced, quick to move and change direction, good footwork). I also felt he had nothing exceptional at all about his play - powerful shots, biggish serve, but lots of inconsistency, little guile, and average "match play". I bet he wins all the LTA style fitness tests which don't require a tennis ball, if you know what I mean.



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Coup Droit wrote:

Brilliant, steven - so we managed to steal GB Basketball's rising star !

Well, Federer always said that juniors should have at least two sports (although he then claimed that his second one was squash! I'm not sure that's quite 'different' enough . . . ). Several top juniors i know also did football to national standard before they were 16. Why not - all complimentary . . .

Congrats to Ed and, in particular, to Jathan - both won easily in two sets.

tennis is my main sport (uni 2nd team level) and have also tried squash while at uni and can say it is completely different to tennis, however i also play badminton and would say that it is more similar to tennis than squash, people who play badminton then come to tennis usually have a very good serve due to it being almost the same action as the smash. infact i would say playing badminton has helped improve my serve dramatically over the last year and also people say my badminton play is more of a tennis style than traditional badminton play, for example overheads people reguarly say it is very tennisey.



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Yes, I thought someone would pick me up ! I'm not arguing with you; I suppose my point was simply that if you had to pick two sports to be 'different' in order to be beneficial , then picking two individual racket sports was probably not the best idea. i.e. tennis and a team sport (basketball, volleyball, football) would be good or tennis and an individual aerobic sport (swimming, running) or tennis and fencing or tennis and dance . ..
I have two cousins (brothers), one who is tennis, the other squash. And, yes, the tennis one plays squash like tennis and the squash one plays tennis like squash - both pretty good but funny to watch . . .

Meanwhile, JWH has won 4 and 3 and all four of the other matches are in the first set and even-stevens . . .

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Broady now retired

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Broady now retired

 Yes, just seen that too ! Which might answer a LOT of questions about yesterday . . .

 

Do hope he's OK.

 

Can't help smiling for Marcus though - through to the QF having played 2 games yesterday and 6 games today. Probably thinking,' there you go, told you I didn't need to do any of this getting-fit stuff . . . '



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I am not remotely surprised to see Malik beat Burton. I have been impressed with him almost ever time I have seen him play and even when he has lost matches he has always looked competitive and with a bit more luck / experience on big points he would have won quite a few more matches.

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Coup Droit wrote:
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Broady now retired

 Yes, just seen that too ! Which might answer a LOT of questions about yesterday . . .

Do hope he's OK.

 Assuming that he hasn't suffered a serious injury it is in some ways quite reassuring



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It's been really good reading your accounts CD, very good insights. Thanks!
Also, I think Fed did football to a pretty good level as well or at least I seem to remember that from somewhere.

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Goodall a set up, our American friend also a set up

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RJA wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
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Broady now retired

 Yes, just seen that too ! Which might answer a LOT of questions about yesterday . . .

Do hope he's OK.

 Assuming that he hasn't suffered a serious injury it is in some ways quite reassuring

 I did think it was odd he hadn't entered the doubles, so I presume an injury sustained (or managed) at Sheffield, which is now preventing him from competing. The strange thing is that he talked in his interviews in Yorkshire about having to manage a long term injury (6-9 months) which was finally behind him, contributing to his improved form. So it didn't sound like he was having a problem last week.......although as I say, my impression of the few points shown on video was of a match in slow motion, or takrn from the 1950s.



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