Week 32 - Challenger ($100,000) - Aptos, CA, USA (Hard)

RJA · Hall of fame

Week 32 - Challenger ($100,000) - Aptos, CA, USA (Hard)

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

That strikes me as a possible irony.

Had Evo not been rained off yesterday and consequently given an SE, would Wardy have made it straight into the MD ?

Obviously if Evo had beaten Rochus (which I am confident he will do later today), it wouldn't have made any difference.

RJA · Hall of fame

steven wrote:
Really? That's impressively obscure knowledge I wonder why it's different - if anything, it would make more sense the other way round since main ATP tour draws are sometimes done before the qualifying sign-in deadline but Challenger main draws are always done afterwards.

Yes really. From the ATP rule book, page 89

2) ATP World Tour. If the special exempt places are not needed before the beginning of the qualifying competition, the special exempt places shall be filled by additional direct acceptances selected from the original acceptance list. Thus a player may be pulled out of the qualifying before the first ball is hit and replaced by an alternate list player.

3) ATP Challenger Tour. If the special exempt places are not needed prior to the 12 Noon withdrawal deadline, the special exempt places shall be filled by additional direct acceptances selected from the original acceptance list. If the special exempt places have not been determined at the deadline, and then following the 12 Noon withdrawal deadline it is determined that one or both of the places are not needed, the additional direct acceptance(s) shall be filled by the highest ranked player(s) who signed in for the qualifying of that event, including those who have preserved their eligibility

I can't claim any credit for knowing this as I only looked up the details after someone on this forum corrected me on this matter earlier in the year. Up until then I, like you, assumed that the extra slots always went to players based on the original acceptance list.

-- Edited by RJA on Saturday 3rd of August 2013 06:58:23 PM

steven · Tennis legend

That would definitely have been ironic, but you're being misled by the big jump in Wardy's ranking after he won Lexington, which was after the entry deadline here. It's Dustov (the 2nd seed in qualifying) who would have got in - James was actually behind Dan on the alternates list:

1 Dustov 199
2 Weintraub 212
3 Barton 217
4 Groth 223
5 Molchanov 230
6 Jones 244 - we think he has a special exempt
7 Evans 247 - we think he has a special exempt
8 Ward 260

So I'm afraid it's all Wardy's own fault for losing to Jones!

RJA · Hall of fame

Actually Ward would have got in if either Evans or Jones had played and lost yesterday afternoon. In a bizarre twist the people who can get in sometimes changes depending on when the SEs clear. If the SEs clear prior to 12:00 midday on the day of the qualifying sign in then extra DAs go to the the next players on the original acceptance list. If the SEs clear after 12:00 midday then they are replaced by alternates who will be the highest ranked players who sign in for the qualifying draw. This only applies on the challenger tour. On the main ATP tour it is always players from the original acceptance list who replace the SEs.

steven · Tennis legend

Really? That's impressively obscure knowledge

I wonder why it's different - if anything, it would make more sense the other way round since main ATP tour draws are sometimes done before the qualifying sign-in deadline but Challenger main draws are always done afterwards.

RJA · Hall of fame

RJA wrote:
QR1: (q1) James Ward WR 179 v Artem Sitak (NZL) WR 442

Looking good so far. James took the first set 6-2

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

and James wins the second set 7-5 . . .

steven · Tennis legend

QR1: (q1) James Ward WR 179 beat Artem Sitak (NZL) WR 442 (CH 299 in 2008) by 2 & 5

James came from a break down in the 2nd set twice

steven · Tennis legend

L32: Dan Evans WR 248 v (WC) Mitchell Krueger (USA) WR 445 (former top 5 junior)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

well, James took Mitchell apart at Lexington . . .6-0, 6-1 if I remember right

steven · Tennis legend

Btw, there is already one lucky loser place, so this being a Challenger and James being the top seed in qualifying, he only needs to reach the FQR to be certain of a place in the main draw. One of the Q/LL places is against Rochus too ...

steven · Tennis legend

QR2: (q1) James Ward WR 179 v Nicolas Meister (USA) WR 434 (CH 356 in June)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

James' match is first up so should start in an hour or so.

He plays his second one (if he wins) from 5 pm onwards (local time)

Mervatron · Masters Series Champion

Good start for James. Hope he can at least qualify here.

Dan has a decent 1st round draw.