Week 29 - ITF ($25K) - Woking, UK Hard

Peter too · Tennis legend

RE: Week 29 - ITF ($25K) - Woking, UK Hard

steven · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
just as an aside, the number of DFs in the Q rounds today is staggering.

Running a quick eye down the current and finished matches, I make it :

Aces : 18
DF : 82

Truly dreadful.

Special prizes go to :

Sian Payne - 12 DF, 0 aces

Sophie Watts - 3 aces, 0 DF (well done Sophie!!!!)

I'm not sure if those kind of stats are that unusual in women's 10K/25K qualies.

In fact, according to ITF live scores, Sian Payne served 18 double faults in the end (0 aces) ... yet still won in straight sets! confuse

Lots of bagels being handed out - Charlotte Pearce (Mel South's cousin) beat Eleanor Deaves 0 & 0, Eden Silva beat Edita Raca 0 & 0, Alicia Barnett beat Camille Goodman 0 & 0, Georgia Craven beat Lauren Harrington 1 & 0 and MAnisha Foster beat Anneka Watts 0 & 3.

steven · Tennis legend

Peter too wrote:
Does anyone know anything about Jessica Simpson? She seems to have been born in South Africa. The ITF and WTA both list her as British while the online score lists her as South African.

Didn't she switch to GB in the last few weeks? If ITF and WTA agree, I'd assume she is definitely British. I get the feeling players nationalities get assigned to them separately for ITF live score purposes rather than gettign picked up automatically (hence the odd cross of St George against a British player even though the vast majority are shown with the GB flag), so Jessica was probably set up as South African on there initially and nobody dealing with the live scoring app has noticed the change.

Peter too · Tennis legend

I just found this biography.

http://www.growingtennis.co.za/programmes/victory-tennis-programme/the-victory-team/jessica-simpson/

steven · Tennis legend

20 June tweet from Team Bath:

"Welcome Jessica Simpson to @teambathmcta She is officially a British player wi Roehampton her 1st tournament as a Brit. #Bri****ch #Tennis"

Peter too · Tennis legend

Jessica needs one more score to get a ranking.

steven · Tennis legend

steven wrote:
20 June tweet from Team Bath:

"Welcome Jessica Simpson to @teambathmcta She is officially a British player wi Roehampton her 1st tournament as a Brit. #Bri****ch #Tennis"

Activeboard's censorship strikes again. disbelief It took me a few seconds to work that one out!

scottie1 · Futures level

steven wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
just as an aside, the number of DFs in the Q rounds today is staggering.

Running a quick eye down the current and finished matches, I make it :

Aces : 18
DF : 82

Truly dreadful.

Special prizes go to :

Sian Payne - 12 DF, 0 aces

Sophie Watts - 3 aces, 0 DF (well done Sophie!!!!)
I'm not sure if those kind of stats are that unusual in women's 10K/25K qualies.
In fact, according to ITF live scores, Sian Payne served 18 double faults in the end (0 aces) ... yet still won in straight sets!
Lots of bagels being handed out - Charlotte Pearce (Mel South's cousin) beat Eleanor Deaves 0 & 0, Eden Silva beat Edita Raca 0 & 0, Alicia Barnett beat Camille Goodman 0 & 0, Georgia Craven beat Lauren Harrington 1 & 0 and MAnisha Foster beat Anneka Watts 0 & 3.

I think the standard of play would not be very great, Remember a few years ago lugging into two umpires chatting in Edinburgh saying how dreadful the womens qualifying was that year. Loads of pit-pat

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Sian Payne (with a victory yesterday despite 18 DF and 0 ace) served 'only' 13 DF and 1 ace today - but lost 6-2 6-3 to Hollie Bees.
Sophie Watts came through too, winning the first set 6-3 and then Charlotte Pearce retired.

Added : Tiffany William has just leveled the match at 1 set all.

As she's a freshman majoring in psychology (at Auburn Uni, Montgomery) maybe she'll understand all about the psyche of getting over the finish line . . .

Manisha is one set up. Jazzamay was 5-2 up in the second but got pegged back to 5-5.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 15th of July 2013 11:56:54 AM

Peter too · Tennis legend

Jazzamay just took the 2nd set 7-6(4)

-- Edited by Peter too on Monday 15th of July 2013 12:21:11 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

I agree with Korriban.

I quite understand Laura Robson dishing out a lot of DF - her serve is a weapon, something worth 'going for'. And she plays against some of the best returners in the world. (It's still a balance, I know, but all the same there's a logic to an aggressive approach).

Women at the other end of the scale need to ask themselves some serious questions. The serve is one of the easiest shots because it is done from a standing position, with no variables (i.e. the opponent is irrelevant and you're always in the 'right' position). Not many players have stats quite as bad as Sian's but all the same, they're not good.

Anyway, Tiff has just broken and is serving for the match; Jazzy's broken too - allez ! Added: but got broken back when I wasn't looking - allez all the more!

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 15th of July 2013 12:31:59 PM

Peter too · Tennis legend

Q2: BEES, Hollie (GBR) WC UNR beat PAYNE, Sian (GBR) UNR 6-3 6-3

Q2: WATTS, Sophie (GBR) UNR beat PEARCE, Charlotte (GBR) UNR 6-3 Ret.

Q2: FOSTER, Manisha (GBR) UNR beat BARNETT, Alicia (GBR) UNR 6-3 6-1

-- Edited by Peter too on Monday 15th of July 2013 12:38:33 PM

Peter too · Tennis legend

Jessica Simpson has just taken the 1st set 6-2 against the highly charged 6th seed Van De Graaf

No doubt she has an electric personality she is probably a bit static.

Meanwhile Eden has fought back to take a 2nd set tie break and Jessica Ren has taken the 1st set against Georgia.

-- Edited by Peter too on Monday 15th of July 2013 01:33:26 PM

steven · Tennis legend

Peter too wrote:
Q2: BEES, Hollie (GBR) WC UNR beat PAYNE, Sian (GBR) UNR 6-3 6-3

Hollie didn't play her first ITF until shortly before her 26th birthday in 2011 and this win gives her a 3rd WTA point (after QR1 wins in Shrewsbury and Barnstaple) so means she will join the WTA rankings on 29 July at the age of 29. If "getting a WTA ranking" was top of her list of "things to do before you're 30," Ms Bees must be buzzing today! biggrin

-- Edited by steven on Monday 15th of July 2013 02:33:02 PM

korriban · Challenger level

Coup Droit wrote:
The 8 points on offer for a first-round win are going to be a huge big deal in the Jessica/Sophie and the Katie/Hollie match.

In other words, ranking points for old rope.

In the context of how painfully hard it is to get the equivalent ranking points in the men's game, its a complete joke.

Future $10k SF + QF; 4 QFs; or 8 L16

Future $15k SF; 2 QFs + 2 L16s; 8 L16s

Challenger: qualifying 3 rounds of any event gives between 3-5 points; with no points even for reaching the FQR

Challenger: winning 1 round wins you 6 or 7 points for most events. Only in $75k events and above would you get 8 points.

ATP: qualifying would only win you more then 8 points if you qualified; usually just 6 points to reach the FQR.

.....and then you come onto the likely ranking level and playing standard of players you would need to beat to get these points in mens' vs womens' pro tennis!!!!! Then consider the fact that these 8 points (plus 2 that you could pick up from a couple of WCs elsewhere, where you LOSE the match) could get you inside the top 1000!!!!! Bizarre ranking points system.

I'm not having a go (well I am), and it's not the fault of the women players (these are the points systems they have to play in; hardly their fault), but it does seem VERY biased towards giving points and a ranking profile to average or even below average players. Robyn Beddow managed to get a pretty decent ranking in recent times without actually winning more than 2 or 3 matches in an entire year!!

Hey Ho!

-- Edited by korriban on Monday 15th of July 2013 04:40:05 PM