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RE: LTA Funding and Participation


What gives tennis generally and the watching public best value? The huge success of a merit-based wildcard where a deserving exemplifier beats the world No 1 or the LTA parachute-payment system where, on your stats, a motley collection of relative done-nothing, no-hopers delivers a paltry five victories total across seven years and 49 wildcards. For me, there really isn't any debate to be had. The present system arguably, has a negative impact on UK player development.

This is another issue where Wimbledon ought to take the lead, irrespective of how the other GS committees decide to operate their own wildcard systems and the potential effect it might have on reciprocal arrangements.

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Wimbledon already takes the lead.

1. No reciprocal agreements with other Slams
2. First Grand Slam to award wildcards to junior champions as a policy
3. Only slam not to use all wild cards and grant spots to next in
4. Only slam to have a ranking cut-off for wild card recipients from the hone nation

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Steven retweeted a very interesting article from Simon Briggs at the Telegraph on the new structure at the LTA.

Effectively focus on junior tennis

Aim is to develop juniors through very tough boot camps at Roehampton

No direct funding for players unless ranked 150 or less bar Kyle Edmund

Top male juniors coached under Leon Smith at Nottingham

Lots of HPCs to have funding cut

LTA Coaches to go on 3 day trips around country rather than occasional day trips

New regime at executive level

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The all eggs in one basket approach to Kyle is interesting

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Some of it certainly makes some sense, and reading the article, his heart seems to be in the right place (completely shaking up the dinosaur of blazer-LTA tennis). The funding comment seemed bizarre though - why would you directly fund players in the top 150 ? It's only there that you can actually start to earn a decent living from tennis . . . not saying that you should necessarily fund the lower level players but Heather and Andy and whoever most certainly don;t need direct funding.

Anyway, good luck to him - i still don;t think that using those glorious resources just for half-term junior tennis camps is the right way to go (although tough half-term junior tennis camps is a good idea). Bit one step at a time - you can't change Rome in a day . . .

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Interesting, particularly with regards to the Kyle exception. Liam has had a pretty good year, even if personally I don't think he is currently quite as close to Kyle as the rankings suggest.

In addition to the top 150 players, I would be interested to know what other young players like Liam have to achieve other than changing their name by deed poll to "Kyle Edmund".

To my mind young players making the sort of progress Liam has been making surely have to be considered, indeed I would include players quite a bit older than Liam and Kyle. 

I would have thought ithat it was worthwhile funding some progressing lower ranked players ( who as CD points out, surely need the help rather more ).



-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 14th of October 2014 02:50:16 PM

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It might be semantics though, in terms of what "direct funding" is? Perhaps that effectively means money dumped in your bank account?. Could it be that other plays get 'indirect' funding, in terms of subsidies, or assistance with certain expenses, availability of certain things for free. And then there's the bonus system.

There was some talk about % of prize money coming back into the system for players receiving assistance wasn't there, or did I make that up and it was just something that was being floated around as a possible idea?

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I agree with the various people who've said,effectively, what's so magical about Kyle that he gets a different set of rules . . .

I wonder if it's a bit 'historical' i.e. his set-up has been promised like that and so now no one will change it. But then none of the new 16 year-olds will get treated the same . . .

Otherwise (and even if so), it looks rather dodgy. Either run a subjective, selective, 'based on potential', system (the best if it works but highly prone to 'nepotism' etc.) or one based on objective, quantifiable milestones to prove merit.

If it's the first, that's fine for Kyle. And I have no problem with that.

However, I understood that it was all 'matrix' rules now, no special cases. So, yes, how does Kyle get in there ?

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The list of people being backed to hilt based on early promise to the exclusion of assisting a wider base pool includes a huge number of players of both sexes who barely made the top 500, if that. It's a shame this regime intends to continue that 'them and us' approach, even if only for one or two people.

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Unless GB tennis can recruit a maverick leader  that utilises the funds already available and badly needed by the majority of the top 25 GB players then we should not be eligible for additional funding . Give it to Olympians  & Para-Olympians who are getting amazing results with meagre resources . The LTA to be honest will only waste in on fat salaries and men in blazers anyway 



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Thing with Kyle is, who knows if it's a chicken or an egg situation.  Did he stand out from the ranks because he had special treatment, or has he deserved the special treatment because he's such a stand-out?  I suspect it's a bit of both.  Even as a real youngster he's always had good light footwork, a fairly settled temperament and a good athletic physique, all things which perhaps made him stand out a bit.  However, having his own coach in Colin B, plenty of wildcards and seemingly no other stone unturned to ensure his success must have propelled him upwards faster than his peers.

I do wonder (whilst not wishing to upset Kyle supporters!) whether the relative plateau he has hit this year reflects the fact that the benefits of special treatment are less noticeable the higher up you go.

With regards to the LTA, I like the sound of the changes.  If Bob B can inject a bit of rigour into our juniors it can only help.  I've seen performance sessions at quite a few HPCs and, with one or two noticeable (and wonderful) exceptions, it all seems a bit too 'comfortable'.  Nothing wrong with them but no real feeling of intensity or kids busting a gut to push their personal bar upwards.  This is not to suggest that the kids are lazy, rather that the structure of the sessions is insufficiently demanding.



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And Heather certainly made the same point about the NTC - not that the players were lazy as such, but that a lot of the coaches just didn't push the boat out, let the players take it easy if they felt like it, all a bit too cozy and comfortable for everyone just to mooch along nicely. . .

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As everyone here knows, I am a huge Kyle fan (mainly because my middle name is Edmund - LOL) but even I find it hard to understand the logic behind the "exception" to the system. What is even harder to understand, is the logic behind publicising that fact and it leaves me to wonder if some "journalistic licence" has been used which doesn't truly reflect the entire situation. Perhaps as has been suggested, the others are still receiving some funding but in a more indirect way.

I sincerely hope that this situation doesn't lead to any animosity amongst other players where Kyle is concerned and I am also concerned that the "all the eggs in one basket" scenario, (if that is truly the case) might just heap even more pressure on Kyle to be the "next big thing". None of this however, is Kyle's fault of course and I believe he is level headed enough just to focus on the job in hand.

As with regard to his progress this year, whilst it is true to say his results haven't been stellar, he has still risen 130+ places in the rankings and has nothing to defend for the next three months following his illness at this time last year. Hopefully he will rise even higher by the end of the year. It seems he is off to play some of the Australian Challengers (and poss some 15Ks) in November, where historically, the fields tend to be a bit weaker. So hopefully he can put together a strong end to the season and reach the Top 200. To do so while still a teenager would be a notable achievement.

I do think there have been some issues this year and I am not sure the transition from Beechy to Greg has been as smooth as publicly expressed. Perhaps Greg has just made some changes to Kyle's game and it is taking time for those changes, both technical and tactical, to bed in and this has led to some inconsistency. For me though, he remains the outstanding prospect amongst our up and coming players.



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Tuesday 14th of October 2014 06:09:03 PM

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Funding "all but dried up" isn't the same as dried up, and "an exception" is not "the exception." So it may be that the likes of Mr Broady still qualify. But beyond Mr Hilton's troupe, it hasn't appeared as though any of the men's side had funding anyway recently. Or am I getting it wholly wrong? I'm even less clear on the women's, where it's seemed that Ms Boulter and Ms Dunne had some support. But again that may be inaccurate.

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Last year was the first year there wasn't a list announced to the public, so we're pretty much in the dark about who gets what and how much. Clearly Kyle gets the top allocation but below that a few others will get a varying degree of financial support and then there will be the majority who get nothing other than the bonus scheme.

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