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Baker break for *4-2 lead in 3rd set

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Now 15-40 down

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Broken. Sake.

JB 4-3*

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12: Andujar 36

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Easy hold from Kunitysn.

JB *4-4

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09: Crivoi 87  

10: Ram 93 , F.Lopez 30 , Schuettler 72, Kamke 85, Russell 80

11:  Wawrinka 14, Querrey 26, Mannarino 54 

12: Andujar 36

13: Tursunov 67

 

 



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0-30 to 40-30, JB then save 3 BP's but not the 4th. 4-5*

What a travesty from *4-2 to 4-5*

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   Wardy's T100 KO's 

09: Crivoi 87  

10: Ram 93 , F.Lopez 30 , Schuettler 72, Kamke 85, Russell 80

11:  Wawrinka 14, Querrey 26, Mannarino 54 

12: Andujar 36

13: Tursunov 67

 

 



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JB goes down 6-4 in the 3rd and ends participation in qualifying for the Brits

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   Wardy's T100 KO's 

09: Crivoi 87  

10: Ram 93 , F.Lopez 30 , Schuettler 72, Kamke 85, Russell 80

11:  Wawrinka 14, Querrey 26, Mannarino 54 

12: Andujar 36

13: Tursunov 67

 

 



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The Magician Santoro wrote:

JB goes down 6-4 in the 3rd and ends participation in qualifying for the Brits


 the male Brits . . . 



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Yesterday Jamie was 4-2 down in the third and won it 6-4. Today he was 4-2 up in third and lost it 6-4.

All in all a very disappointing qualifying event from a British perspective.

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Much as it pains me to say so, I wouldn't call it disappointing.

ALL our male entries were wild-cards. That means that NONE of them had the required level. As such, you can't really expect any of them to win. Nice when a couple do, of course, but it's hardly a surprise if they don't.

What is incredibly disappointing is the level of British tennis and, in particular, the lack of depth. We have a few very good prospects. But most comparable countries have dozens of very good prospects. Because, of course, many of the good prospects will fall by the way. So you need some margin, which we don't have.

In fact, I was really impressed by the British tennis I saw yesterday. Lewis Burton was the only one who was actually outplayed and even he posted a good score. All of them looked as though they belonged at that level. So my question is: why aren't they actually at that level ?

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Coup Droit wrote:

Much as it pains me to say so, I wouldn't call it disappointing.

ALL our male entries were wild-cards. That means that NONE of them had the required level. As such, you can't really expect any of them to win. Nice when a couple do, of course, but it's hardly a surprise if they don't.

What is incredibly disappointing is the level of British tennis and, in particular, the lack of depth. We have a few very good prospects. But most comparable countries have dozens of very good prospects. Because, of course, many of the good prospects will fall by the way. So you need some margin, which we don't have.

In fact, I was really impressed by the British tennis I saw yesterday. Lewis Burton was the only one who was actually outplayed and even he posted a good score. All of them looked as though they belonged at that level. So my question is: why aren't they actually at that level ?


I take your point but it is still disappointing.

As for why they aren't at that level. Well if I was being positive I would say that at least 4 of them (Evans, Corrie, JWH and Rice) seem to be on an upward trajectory in their career and that at least 3 of them (not sure about Rice) will hopefully be ranked quite a bit higher in 12 months time. You then have two players in Baker and Bogdanovic who are probably past their best but can still play at a pretty high level on occasions. Then there is Goodall who should IMO be capable of playing at this level, especially on grass, but who lacks the mental strength and seems to be drifting towards retirement.



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I think your analysis of the individual players is spot on.
And when one looks at Steven's table, there are 7 men in the top 25 who have gone up over 100 places already this year (4 of whom have gone up about 200 places or way more).
And 12 are at their all time high (or within 10%).
Which is all very encouraging and will have a good knock-on effect to other players and create a 'mass' of good players from which, hopefully, some can feed through to the top 200. (It's certainly a far healthier picture than that of the women's tennis).

But I still feel that something is wrong if every single wild card player has their own particular story as to why he plays (or can play) at top 200 level,, but isn't actually ranked in the top 200 (or not even near in many cases).

I would also point out that, of the men who are part of the Aegon funded team, none of them had the level to even play in the qualifiers (except Josh WH who was lucky, really, to get his WC given his ranking) i.e. Luke, Liam, George, James Marsalek, Oli, Evan - none of them are playing any part in Wimbledon and yet they are the 'creme de la creme'. (Obviously James W and Kyle are in the main draw but, again, neither would have even made the quali draw, let alone the MD, on pure ranking merit - no criticism of Kyle, he's still a junior, but it's still true.).
Something's not right.

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There is no doubting that it is extremely poor that we have only one player in the top 200, and reasons and theories for this are much discussed.

I do not think though that there is anything peculiar that we have so many players that can seemingly play at top 200 level on occasion. To my mind tennis internationally is full of players outside the top 200 that can play at top 200 level at times, non top 100 players that can play at top 100 level etc. And put a group of such players from another country into a theoretical Grand Slam in their own cpuntry and I wpuld expect they too to appear to play above their general level. We also have at Wimbledon a certain levelling element in many cases on grass.

So, to me, nothing strange or "wrong" here. I am not one for generally thinking that GB players have some differemt psychological make up re such as playing above or below their general level, losing matches they should win or vice versa, choking etc etc.

There are certain elements that I maybe do wonder about as a generality such as behavior, serving etc but some of that may be backup related and is maybe not as different as we might imagine.

Yes, I do wish we could get some of these players pushing onto top 200 level, but producing the level ( such as it was ) here, I found neither surprising or in some way "wrong" for not being more regularly achieved. It is still more simply the case that our players as a whole are not good enough.


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As far as I can remember no one player from GB, either male of female, managed to reach the main draw via the qualifying last year, but correct if I am wrong. Does anyone know who was the last person from GB to actually come through qualifying to reach the main draw because I am struggling - seems a long time ago?



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Jamie Baker qualified for Australian Open this year

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   Wardy's T100 KO's 

09: Crivoi 87  

10: Ram 93 , F.Lopez 30 , Schuettler 72, Kamke 85, Russell 80

11:  Wawrinka 14, Querrey 26, Mannarino 54 

12: Andujar 36

13: Tursunov 67

 

 



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denver23 wrote:

As far as I can remember no one player from GB, either male of female, managed to reach the main draw via the qualifying last year, but correct if I am wrong. Does anyone know who was the last person from GB to actually come through qualifying to reach the main draw because I am struggling - seems a long time ago?


 Chris Eaton 2008



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