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indiana


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Particularly good young players ( I forget the normal wording, but I think it is pretty vague ) have over the last few years always been possible exceptions to be given MD WCs while ranked outside the top 250.

The only likely such candidate this year ( male or female ) I'd think would be Kyle again. Although, of course, he could yet make the top 250 anyway before Wimbledon.

Assuming that the total of 8 British ( MD + Q ) WCs plus 2 Q WCs from the play-offs is going to be applied again, it will be a bit restricting if both Heather and Jo require MD WCs.

It's looking currently like Heather, Jo, Naomi and Sam for MD WCs, with Tara taking her time in sealing the top 250 deal. I know she has had some illness issues, but much as I like Tara I'm not sure she has any huge case if she doesn't manage to make the top 250. Certainly not in great form. Though maybe she is still less than fully healthy. As has been said, after the play-offs they usually seem to find one or two more Q WCs for Brits.

Remember also that top 250 or CR of 500 for doubles is no guarantee of a MD WC as Boggo for one knows only too well.

Think it was two years ago that Dave and Sean just got Q WCs for the doubles despite being ( and having been for a little while ) both ranked in the top 250. I had been wondering if a Q WC was a possibility for Marcus and Lewis, given I've always had my doubts as to whether they'ed get a MD WC with so little experience of at least challenger level. I do think a Q WC would be reasonable ( from memory it is generally a very limited qualifying field with 2 matches needing to be won ? )


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Yes, I'd agree that a QWC for Willis and Burton would be sensible and very much merited. Think the competition for the MDWCs in doubles is going to be very tough, so that they may not quite get in there.



-- Edited by Spectator on Monday 28th of April 2014 07:12:48 PM

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indiana wrote:

Particularly good young players ( I forget the normal wording, but I think it is pretty vague ) have over the last few years always been possible exceptions to be given MD WCs while ranked outside the top 250.

The only likely such candidate this year ( male or female ) I'd think would be Kyle again. Although, of course, he could yet make the top 250 anyway before Wimbledon.


 Having taken a close look at Kyle's results in the 12 months prior to receiving WCs into Queens, Eastbourne and Wimbledon last year, I'd suggest that Eleanor's case this year is at least as convincing as Kyle's was last year. Kyle's win over Gimeno-Traver (103) in Wimbledon qualies is the only advantage he has over her as far as I can see. He had 7 wins against players ranked inside the top 500 but 6 of those were players ranked 350-500. Two 10K titles and one final. 



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To merit a WC for me Eleanor would 1. have to choose to play the grass court season 2. show at say Nottingham she was capable of beating a top 100 player. Personally a QWC would be the route for me if she does in fact decide to play the grass court season. She''s only been back for a few months and is making progress playing 10ks on hard courts, I personally would be surprised if she decided to halt that momentum by choosing to change surface for what is only a brief period of the season.

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Yes Eleanor skipping grass and playing 10ks might be best the fields on 10ks are unlikely to have many top 500 players in the summer as we have seen previously so she would likely be seeded and also therefore pick up a good run of easy points. If that's the way they want to play it. Not always a good idea to play weak tournaments just to rise rankings even for someone with obvious ability. We shall see.

A month in Egypt for Eleanor would probably net her 30-40 points for example.

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A player doing well in 10ks is not an indiciation they are ready for a main draw WC into a Grand Slam.

Nothing Katy, Eleanor or Katie have done this year suggests they are ready or capable of competing at the level needed. We had years of throwing in girls who were nowhere near good enough into main draws because we didn't have any other option for home participation, we don't need to do that now. I agree with Phil completely, a QWC would be the appropriate place for these girls. They would need to start beating top 200 players and winning main draw matches in 25 or 50s for me to take main draw wildcard talk seriously.

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My original question hadn't considered for one second that the three girls would/could get a WC into the MD.
COmpletely agree with the above. It would be inappropriate.
I was only wondering whether they would get an automatic one into the Qualies without having to play the play-offs.


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Coup Droit wrote:

My original question hadn't considered for one second that the three girls would/could get a WC into the MD.
COmpletely agree with the above. It would be inappropriate.
I was only wondering whether they would get an automatic one into the Qualies without having to play the play-offs.

Katy might if she gets her ranking up a bit. If Katie did it would need to be on the grounds of her being the top ranked british junior, but I think it's unlikely.



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Katy could justify one in that she has been playing 25K qualis and beating players around 250-350 ranking.

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If Eleanor does play the grass season, depend perhaps on initial grass tournament results, I'd think she should be a big Wimbledon QWC candidate.

Basically, bearing in mind past results, all her injury issues and what she has shown since she came back, her potential and suitability for a Wimbledon QWC is crying out.

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Having a look at the ranking i'd say Jo Ko may sneak into the MD as of right, Hev is an outside bet but both guaranteed WC's if not. Naomi B will get one too.

I'd suspect Sam, Tara and Jade will get QWC's. Then the rest into the Q play-off unless they decide to give Katy D, B or Eleanor a WC for being a promising junior

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Our weakest entry list will be for womens' doubles. Any thoughts on possible pairings and who could get wildcards? 

Current top 5 GB with world rankings:

128 Naomi

144 Heather

153 Anna

162 Jocelyn

180 Jade



-- Edited by Sim on Thursday 15th of May 2014 06:32:06 PM

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Sim wrote:

Our weakest entry list will be for womens' doubles. Any thoughts on possible pairings and who could get wildcards? 

Current top 5 GB with world rankings:

128 Naomi

144 Heather

153 Anna

162 Jocelyn

180 Jade



-- Edited by Sim on Thursday 15th of May 2014 06:32:06 PM

 These suggestions to be taken with a pinch of salt, as they're based upon pure guesswork, but :

Anna/Joss

Jade/Sam

Naomi/Tara

Hev with another non Brit

JoKo with another non Brit



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Both Hev and Jo Ko have made the maindraw as of right which will free up some WC's. As things stand only 2 will be for the MD though Naomi is a cert plus Sam. Who i don't think should get one and be in quallies instead.

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I would agree that Sam shouldn't get one if Tara doesn't. Both their form have been poor and just because Sam will be top 250 (just) and Tara just outside this shouldn't matter. Both will drop very quickly into the 300s unless they win a few matches over the summer. Jade will also drop back towards 400 shortly and Katy isn't going to break the top 300 for a few more months at least. It will be interesting to see if they give one to anyone other Naomi. I wouldn't say they shouldn't.

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