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steven


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Here are the 16 teams that will be in the World Group playoff draw this Wednesday - country, what the venue would be and their ranking points before this weekend, rounded to the nearest integer:

World Group R1 losers

Can only drop points since they did not play this weekend - potentially up to about 5300, but that would mean they won QFs away from home against teams ranked 1 or 2 in each of the last 4 years so the actual drop is likely to be a lot less.

Spain A 32000 potential drop not checked
Croatia A 4335 potential drop not checked
Austria A 3316 potential drop not checked
Israel A 3175 potential drop not checked
Switzerland H 2950 little or nothing to drop
Germany H 2797 little or nothing to drop

... the above are all definite or almost-definite seeds

Brazil LOT 2700 minus about 600 - probably seeded

Belgium A 2675 minus about 800 - possibly seeded


Zonal Group I winners

These teams could also drop points as above but will add between 625-863 points for their wins this weekend.

Australia H 2363 minus more than 600 - possibly seeded

The following are virtually certain to be unseeded:

Japan LOT 2018
Netherlands A 1350
Poland A 1133
Ecuador H 1125
Ukraine A 955
Colombia LOT 863
Great Britain N/A 630

In other words, having done this independently as a check on what Stu Fraser said, I'm inclined to agree with him re. the definite and possible seeds.



-- Edited by steven on Wednesday 10th of April 2013 10:15:36 AM

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So, GB move up to 30th, which makes us by far the lowest-ranked team in the World Group playoffs.

A couple of surprises - Israel won't be seeded (as mentioned in the first post, I didn't think I needed to check their potential drop, but I assume their best results must mainly have come in the last 4 April sessions) and Brazil won't be seeded (less of a surprise, obviously) but Australia (one of the borderline countries) will be and Japan will be.

The weird thing about Japan is that my first very rough calculation had them seeded but it didn't seem plausible to me so I dug deeper and though I had found a mistake which meant they wouldn't be that close.

Anyway, assuming these aren't subject to revision like the last set of Fed Cup rankings turned out to be, the possible opponents in September are as follows, with a 43.75% chance of a home tie:

Rank - Country - Venue

2 - Spain - AWAY
10 - Austria - AWAY
11 - Croatia - AWAY
12 - Switzerland - HOME
13 - Germany - HOME
14 - Australia - HOME
15 - Belgium - AWAY
16 - Japan - LOT



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With an in form Andy Murray, we should be able to beat most of these teams, bar Spain away.

Is Federer playing for Switzerland these days?

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When they are in any danger of relegation, I think.

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Could have been much worse: if all goes well, Mr Murray has a good record v Cilic, doubles team has a strong chance, and Karlovic or Dodig not impossible for our other singles players. Phew. Poor Ukraine.



-- Edited by Spectator on Wednesday 10th of April 2013 10:18:39 AM

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So, our run of 7 home ties comes to an end and we get our first away tie in more than 3 years ... but it's a decent draw against the last team we beat in a World Group playoff tie - Tim Henman's last tie at Wimbledon in 2007.

Croatia's top 4 singles players are:

Marin Cilic WR 11
Ivan Dodig WR 54
Ivo Karlovic WR 136
Antonio Veic WR 146

Cilic and Dodig are Croatia's top 2 doubles players as well (ranked 50 & 33 respectively) & they each played all 3 days in their last tie.



-- Edited by steven on Wednesday 10th of April 2013 10:24:49 AM

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Karlovic has retired from Davis Cup.

It's a very good draw (assuming Andy does play of course!).



-- Edited by PaulM on Wednesday 10th of April 2013 10:31:00 AM

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Bob in Spain wrote:

OK. What about a venue. I note that Zadar (hard) and Porec (Clay) were their last two home venues for DC (from a Steven re tweet), but where will this one be ?

The person who originally tweeted it said those were their last two home playoff ties, though he meant last two home ties in September, since the  Porec tie on indoor clay was their 2009 semi-final against the Czech Republic.

Their last home tie (before a run of 4 away ties) was on indoor hard in Zagreb, the one before that on indoor hard in Split and the one before that on indoor hard in Varazdin, so they like to move them around a bit!

If they want to play us on outdoor clay, Umag is an obvious option, but they hardly ever play DC ties outdoors. But they might not want to, they might even prefer a super-fast indoor hard court.



-- Edited by steven on Wednesday 10th of April 2013 12:39:37 PM

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Croatia would have to be totally insane to pick a fast indoor hardcourt which would play totally into our hands.


There is likely to be an assumption that if Andy plays the singles will be split (on any surface), and so they should work to try and neutralise our doubles advantage. Which has to mean clay.

Clay also minimises, from their end, the risk of our #2 winning either of their matches.

I'd also be surprised if Evo at a DC tie away from home (perhaps on clay) is the same player as the Evo on a fast indoor court infront of a very vocal home crowd.

Of course lots can happen in 5 months, but it's difficult to see past a team of Andy, Dino, Flemray



-- Edited by PaulM on Wednesday 10th of April 2013 03:50:29 PM

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Is it Draw time now ?

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Team GB draw Croatia away

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Any ideas on what sort of surface this will be played on? I suspect it will be hard courts given Cilic and Karlovic seem to be better hard court players than clay courters.

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Not the perfect draw but not bad either. I'll settle for it.

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OK. What about a venue. I note that Zadar (hard) and Porec (Clay) were their last two home venues for DC (from a Steven re tweet), but where will this one be ?

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While it clearly could have been much worse, there were also I'd say clearly better looking ties there.

But at least we are in there with a decent shout though, in spite of last week's heroics, we wil extremely likely have to maximise from Andy ( and Cilic is not likely to be straightforward in Croatia after Andy has had a successful and hence long US Open campaign or an unsuccessful campaign ) and the doubles guys ( whose task could be quite tough too against a well supported pair who could click ).

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