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RE: Week 7 - ITF ($25K) - Rancho Santa Fe, USA Hard


I did apologise before posting, gentlemen, because I was suggesting one possible contributing factor to 2 inexplicably poor and extreme losses for a young professional who is currently enjoying a spectacularly good run of form, and rising up the rankings, but does have.....let's just say, some "previous". And piecing together a few scraps of circumstancial data to explain why there may be some merit in this suggestion.

Remember, last week, after 12 straight victories on the tour, including 2 in the current tournament, she lost the first 9 games of a match against an opponent who she'd beaten in straight sets 3 months before. During that first set and a half, she was unable to string 2 winning points together in a row. And after the match, said it was very windy.

Steven, Indy - to be clear, I'm not suggesting anything wilful or deliberate here; and I never suggested any of the other girls would do anything to keep her up at night - all I pointed out is that, with them already out of the singles, there would be no need for any of them to turn up at the tennis club at 8 in the morning, which Tara would have needed to do for her warm-up/practice, so Tara would need to sort this out on her own. And Steven, Indy - feel free to tweet or post in the middle of the night as much as you want - since you aren't (I assume!) professional athletes fully sponsored by your national academy with big matches to play and prepare for early the next morning.

Look. When you are clearly a VERY talented player (how many others on the women's side have won so many matches in a row; how many others had famous coaches drooling at their talent as youngsters; who was the #1 in her age group ahead of Heather Watson), and you can pull out superb performances that many of your peers can only dream of when at your best.......I believe that even on bad days you should never lose runs of 8 or 9 games against players ranked in the 200s or 300s, assuming you are fit, well, serious and fully prepared.

I may be 100% wrong here - but hand on heart, and gut feel to the max, I fear that there are a lot of coincidences at play here.

Onwards and upwards, next tournament, victory beckons girls......



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Korriban, you were indeed clear that you were only suggesting a possibility ... so I'm not having a go at you either. But I do think that broadly speaking it's dangerous for us as fans to speculate about individual wins/losses on the basis of very little information ... and would be particularly cautious of saying on the basis of heavily circumstantial evidence (with many other possibilities around) that someone lacked professionalism.

Ms Moore is a good player who is doing well. She was a talented junior, and she seems to be making the transition to being quite a decent senior player. She's played a lot of matches recently and is entitled (particularly if she did have two afternoon matches and didn't sleep well before a morning match) to the odd off day. All players have them -- look at Federer v Benneteau yesterday!



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It does seem very odd to be tweeting at 2.30 a.m. the morning before a match.  If she was suffering from insomnia, it was very silly to go online.  There have been a succession of articles in the newspapers saying that those who find it difficult to go to sleep should avoid computers before they go to bed, and I thought it was common knowledge that the worst thing to do if you are having difficulty sleeping is to activate your brain. 

All in all it is difficult to think of an explaination for that tweet which doesn't make Tara look most unprofessional.  Or could there be some delay mechanism on her computer or ipad?



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You can tweet from a phone. And if there is no one on this board who has ever rung someone up (or checked in on social media) when they were really having difficulty sleeping, I would be most surprised! Not saying that's what happened ... I have no evidence either! But I do think this is all a little precious. And intrusive (albeit Twitter is public). Enough ... no?

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korriban, I basically said my piece, and it was a serious answer to your serious speculation as to various possibilities. I assume that you wanted it read and considered and some thoughts.

I can only repeat I have the impression of a pretty driven, ambitious young lady. And she will be very well used to be being the last Brit in a foreign tournsment, sometimes the only Brit from the start ( with what general backup I don't know ). But certainly used to being independant and doing a lot on her own. This hadn't been a sudden new experience !

Now I may not subscribe to just "**** happens" ( though it probably does seemingly without reason at times ) and all preparation needs considered. but for me you are going to the other extreme, looking all over the place for reasons and whether one wants to use the words wilful or deliberate, you have basically speculated about what I'd say iwould be irresponsible unprofessionalism re staying up tweeting ( as opposed to wakening up or couldn't sleep ) plus possibly not practicing enough for early matches, particularly very speculatively re the galeforce day last week.

a) I have given my reasons why I really doubt these, but hey who knows for sure...

b) I really do not rhink folk should be posting such speculative stuff, which while you may be clear you are just making suggestions as to possibilities ( and it may float your boat to disect possibities as to the whys and wherefores for unexpected scorelines for Tara, as for such as Oli in the past ) to me it comes too near basically suggesting we might have rank unprofessionalism here. Yet you really have no idea, just making up theories, sometimes loosely based on a few snippets of information, to tie in with scorelines

Now I am myself pretty liberal re comments on forums like this. I spent part of the Fed Cup thread arguing for good old negativity if folk felt genuinely negative ( and speculative re Laura's shoulder ). I will never be a simple cheerleader for British tennis players though I very much want them to succeed. And I`ve probably frankly questioned say Andy's professionalism myself, maybe unfairly, but with I'd say rather more foundation.

But this scattergun speculation. close in my view to inuendo ( and to a degree even if it wasn't ) leaves me very uneasy. We are not an island here, the odd journalist and some playets themselves read here ( maybe more than we think ), as was ironically pointed out in the Fed Cup thread to the whingers, who I really didn't think went temotely too far there.

But anyway that's just me...maybe I'm overreacting.


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Korriban, you were indeed clear that you were only suggesting a possibility ... so I'm not having a go at you either. But I do think that broadly speaking it's dangerous for us as fans to speculate about individual wins/losses on the basis of very little information ... and would be particularly cautious of saying on the basis of heavily circumstantial evidence (with many other possibilities around) that someone lacked professionalism.

Ms Moore is a good player who is doing well. She was a talented junior, and she seems to be making the transition to being quite a decent senior player. She's played a lot of matches recently and is entitled (particularly if she did have two afternoon matches and didn't sleep well before a morning match) to the odd off day. All players have them -- look at Federer v Benneteau yesterday!


 I agree. We have no idea what problems particular tennis players are facing on a day to day basis and speculation can be counter productive. I remember similar comments about Naomi Cavaday before a variety of health issues forced her to retire from tennis.



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Seems not just me then. I wrote the above in instalments, not reading fresh posts.

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Not a good result for Tara but she will bounce back. My prediction is she will be inside top 200 before Wimbledon qualies



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Brengle went on to win the semi for the loss of just 3 games too and the Final for the loss of five, this taking the title without dropping a set.

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Brengle is one of the young Americans tipped to go far. Not in the league of Sloane, Keys, Davies etc, but she'll be a top 100 player no doubt

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Yes, it was a tough R2 match for Tara, however anyone may have felt that she played. Brengle has clearly been the form player of the week.

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....or even tough quarter final !

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Yes Indy, I also felt it was always going to be a tough match for Tara, probably tougher than her mauling of Lisa, followed up by her excellent win over the #1 seed (her opponent probably compromised by a near 4 hour epic plus a doubles the afternoon before). Tara had very strong form coming into the match, so I'm disappointed the match wasn't at least closer, being a rather one-sided affair in the end. Tara does seem to be a Forrest Gump "Box of Chocolates" player.........often superb or very poor.......you never know what you're going to get.

Tara, Sam and Lisa must all be very motivated for the next tournament in Arizona, as all have shown glimpses of great form, but not quite finished off the job. It would be excellent for them all to power through without incident. 



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I've seen Brengle play live and she has a nice solid baseline game but no more, I for one would be surprised if she made it into the top 100.

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