Week 6 - Great Britain F4 ($10,000) - Wirral (Hard)

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

RE: Week 6 - Great Britain F4 ($10,000) - Wirral (Hard)

Shhh · Challenger level

steven wrote:

I would certainly be in favour of the LTA finding a way to help the better players among those not on the AEGON list have a go at more overseas Challengers. I fear the initial results might be dire, but that could well be because the only way for players to improve their results at Challenger level is to get used to playing that level of opponent on a regular basis.

I raised this subject recently but some others didn't seem to agree. I have to say that I think some incentive to encourage plyers to step up from Futures to Challengers is essential if "GB" is to progress.

http://britishtennis.activeboard.com/t51335452/lta-bonus/

steven · Tennis legend

Ah, that's where it was! I remember seeing that and not having time to reply at the time. I must have forgotten to go back to the thread and reply later but I did agree with you.

blob · All-time great

A thriller in the Wirra'
dan takes it 9-7 in the set 3 TB
Josh loses a match in which he won the more points

-- Edited by blob on Friday 8th of February 2013 01:39:39 PM

kundalini · Specialist Reporter + Intermediate Club Player

paulisi wrote:
No disrespect to Josh Goodall, but as one of the top seeds in these four tournaments and not making a final, indicates 10K are his limit and he won't progress about WR 250.

He lost to Marcus Willis in the final of GB F1. His results in 2012 suggest that he is a strong player at 15K level though when he steps up to Challenger level he found it difficult to win matches. Looking at his whole career, he has had enough success at Challenger level to suggest he can compete at that level though perhaps only on faster surfaces. Last year he played over 30 tournaments so he can afford quite a few disappointing events. From a ranking perspective he needs more scores above the 27 he got for winning 15Ks. As korriban points out above, the numbers simply don't work unless he can reach a few Challenger semis/finals; if he is only entering 5 or 6 Challengers during the year, then it's a tough ask to expect to reach a couple of semis; last year he entered 12 Challengers but his best was several R16s (I think) worth 8 points each.

-- Edited by kundalini on Friday 8th of February 2013 02:20:37 PM

steven · Tennis legend

kundalini wrote:
As korriban points out above, the numbers simply don't work unless he can reach a few Challenger semis/finals; if he is only entering 5 or 6 Challengers during the year, then it's a tough ask to expect to reach a couple of semis; last year he entered 12 Challengers but his best was several R16s (I think) worth 8 points each.

Somewhat surprisingly (i.e. I thought it was less), it turns out Josh played in 12 Challengers last year, with one defeat in qualifying, 8 R1 defeats and 3 R2 defeats. Tthe R1 wins were against Millot WR 224, Kyle and an unranked Turkish wild card in Izmir. So he played in more than just a handful of Challengers yet still didn't manage to make an impression. I do wonder though if playing 52 Futures matches, the odd ATP & slam match and quite a few British Tours might have left him less fresh than many of the other Challenger players, though I guess plenty of Challenger players play quite a few French/German league matches too.

He has done well in slam qualifying before though, so there must be a chance he could make an impression at Challenger level.

-- Edited by steven on Friday 8th of February 2013 02:40:24 PM

paulisi · Tennis legend

Didn't Neal play with his brother last week and do rather well. I assume his doubles ranking should jump another couple of hundred positions on the back of this to 880 ish.

Must run in the family!!!!

-- Edited by paulisi on Friday 8th of February 2013 03:51:00 PM

Jack Buxton · Club Coach

interesting to see an oz junior w/c performing well in a challenger. it would be great to give our lads the opportunity on a more regular basis.

Spectator · All-time great

A somewhat exceptional Oz junior, no? But agree on the desirability of giving young men/women a chance to shine on larger stage!

indiana · Tennis legend

While it has been good to see some of the performances here and in the previous 10Ks with undoubtably good looking wins ( including against higher ranked foreign opposition), I do think the lack of 15Ks and just 2 challengers ( both on grass ) is pretty ridiculous.

Yes, we do want to see players produce outwith these shores, but there should be a much better mix of tournaments in GB, particularly with some more testing events with strong foreign participation. Gee, not a single hardcourt Challenger !

SMC1809 · All-time great

Dan S took the first set against Goodall 6-4 but Josh leads the second set *3-1

Ed leads Josh Milton 6-3 0-1

steven · Tennis legend

Both Joshes are now down a set but up a break in the 2nd ...

Dan 6-4 *2-5 v Josh G
Ed 6-3 1-2* v Josh M

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Goody wins the second set by 6-3 to take the match into a decider.

Ed *1-3 in the second.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Can anyone confirm what time the men's final starts tomorrow & does the doubles final follow, or is that being played today?

I assume i can just turn up 10 mins before and have no problems getting in.

steven · Tennis legend

The doubles final is being played today. I'd guess 11 for the singles final tomorrow but we won't know for sure until the OoP is released.