Agree with much of this Indy - I'd love to know what the magic sauce is for Marcus that has turned a really poor 2012 (on Steven's top 25 table, its interesting that he has no points to defend until September!!!) into a flying start to 2013. I suspect we all know the answer, but it would be good to hear it direct from Marcus. 8 wins in a row is NOT a change of luck, its more than that. But we need to see this throughout the year, not just for a few weeks here and there - many of our mid ranked players seem to go on these form spurts, which then fade away.
I am more convinced than ever that there are relatively few super talents out there, and that the difference between most players ranked between 1000 and 100 is actually quite small (although bank balances will differ hugely) - fitness, commitment, game plans, training regimes, practice, coach, mental fortitude, etc rather than serves, forehands and backhands. Above this ranking it may be a different story, but I still think there are plenty of very average players ranked 50-100 who have simply maximised what they have, and plenty of much more gifted players below 500 who simply haven't.
Although, when I watch Gael Monfils and Richard Gasquet I see probably the best athlete to ever pick up a tennis racquet and arguably the most gifted player to ever play the game (IMHO) who have both underachieved on a massive scale compared to their potential, for exactly the same type of reasons..........so it's not just our boys.
I totally agree and isn't this perhaps where having a couple of players start to make it into the top 100 while a lot more are in the top 500 could really pay dividends? What I mean is that it is obvious that a huge amount of effort is needed to get into the top 100 (and/or fulfill your potential), yet in some ways it must be easier for a super talent (as korriban put it) like Andy to find the motivation to put in the amount of effort required when the rewards are likely to be ATP titles (and even grand slams) and millions of dollars than is for players whose best hope is to get into the lower reaches of the top 100 and who (especially when so many of their compatriots have tried and failed over the year) might not, deep down, believe even that is possible.
Now of course, getting into the top 100 is a very big deal and likely to be more than lucrative and exciting enough to be well worth the effort involved but I can understand why some players might find it hard to be committed enough if they start wondering whether reaching the top 100 is even a possibility. (*) Such players might look at Andy and think, well he puts in a huge amount of effort and reaps the rewards, but I'm nowhere near as talented as he is, so that doesn't mean I could so it. I can also imagine that even a few of the GB women getting into the top 100 might not have encouraged the GB men to think they could do the same, e.g. if they feel that there is more depth in the men's game.
However, if a British player whom a lot of Brits saw as 'like them' (someone they themselves had grown up with and had been competitive against, for example) upped their commitment level and made it into the top 100, then that would surely help the others to believe that they could do it too if they put in enough work.
Obviously, non-Brits who have made it into the top 100 could also been seen as examples of what is possible too, but I don't think it is too hard to understand why seeing someone from the same country (who has come up through a similar system to you) making it into the top 100 is more likely to make you think you could do it too than someone from another country / system managing it.
(*) this of course makes it all the more impressive that many players who don't have much hope of reaching the top 100 do put in a huge amount of effort, just to see how good they can be
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I think it just needs a couple of players to get to the top 100-200 and it could inspire others to put the extra effort in and climb the rankings. There always have been a few with talent that should have made it, but haven't as yet. Evo and Boggo spring to mind of the current players. I can see the top juniors having the best opportunity to get there - Oli, Kyle maybe George and if someone from the mid ranks can put a good run together like Marcus is doing this year then who knows. However it all takes time and once the media get wind it can either be positive or totally detrimental.
I might be tempted to nip up to Preston at the weekend....
rooting for Marcus to win again but like Ed Corrie as well so if meatball doesnt do it then ed to win! Dan Evans dont know what to say ==most talented by far but head needs sorting out I think !
I'd love to know what the magic sauce is for Marcus that has turned a really poor 2012 into a flying start to 2013.
A few ounces of luck is certainly one of the ingredients in your sauce. He was within a whisker of defeat in both the 2nd round of Glasgow and the 2nd round of Preston, and may well have saved match points in both. Patterns, trends, streaks ... we humans just LOVE to impose them on random events, don't we?
And yes, wouldn't it be marvellous if success and happiness were entirely within our control; that the good guys always prosper, and the bad guys always go to Hell. I think I lost any remaining vestiges of thinking life was like that, about the time that Michael Carroll won £8 million on the Lottery.
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There's a hell of a lot within your control as a tennis player, Ratty.
We were told on the forum before Glasgow that Marcus had put in a lot of extra work anf to look out fot him and hey presto !
Of course luck plays a part at times, but I'd certainly say that most of the many upward and downward trrends in tennis are based on more fundamental reasons and changes.
Is Evo generally very unlucky ? No. He loses matches he should win due to other reasons and changing some of these would improve his tennis and put him on an upward trend.
Hard work and arguably the hiring of Ivan Lendl did much to bring Andy that first Grand Slam title. Yes the way the US Open draw worked out helped too, but he was in position to benefit from that.
In general, overall success in tennis ( and in many other areas ) is down to fundamental controllables which help more often put folk in a position to take advantage of some luck. One can say for instance that Marcus has scraped through some matches, but that he was close at all is down to him.
It was Gary Player that said that the more often he practiced his putting the luckier he got. The message was ckear.
Ratty, I don't think people were saying that success is entirely within people's control ... just recognising that people are capable of making choices which can positively or negatively affect the extent to which they are able to capitalise on their talents. I would think, actually, that for GB players who have not performed well and then improve, trying to understand what factors have changed -- whether those within their control or not -- and how they interact with each other would be fairly crucial.
On another note ... I sometimes wonder at the extent to which we assume that Mr Evans lost matches, rather than that others won them. In the case of Mr Corrie, who came in with a strong university background, might the decisive nature of his win reflect the fact that he's potentially quite a decent player as much as it does any weaknesses of Mr Evans?
I just had a look at the ITA All American lists for the past eight years to see which GB players have been included. I don't necessarily know all the GB players, but I think that Mr Inglot, both Mr Skupskis, Mr Corrie and Mr Watling were the GB representatives. Might be a useful indicator -- for those who decide to continue -- of possible success?
-- Edited by Spectator on Friday 25th of January 2013 06:26:19 AM
Well, I'm certainly not denying that one can control one's own destiny. It's just that people generally discount the role of chance in determining the outcome of events.
And I'm not denying that Marcus Willis may well have been training very hard, and that has helped him compete better - but those 2 second round matches could just have easily have gone the other way. And if they had, he'd still be just as good a player as he is now, but talk of a renaissance would seem absurd.
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