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RE: Doping Again !


christ wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

From what I read, the amount of the drug in his system was miniscule, though - it wouldn't have had any performance enhancing abilties


 If it wouldn't have helped, why is it illegal? (Seriously - I thought the whole point of this was to root out cheats, not "non-cheats-that-may-have-been-exposed")

What Mr Trump (and Mr Simpson before him - remember that?) has effectively demonstrated is that there is no offence - and no evidence - that cannot be overcome by a sufficiently talented and sufficiently high-paid legal team.


 Because, as I understand it, at the moment it's an 'all-or-nothing' offence - i.e. the merest trace of the illegal substance is illegal 

Which in some ways makes sense - after all, there are a lot of forbidden products and otherwise you'd have to specfiy the cut-off point for each product - easier just to say a blanket no

But, on the other hand, it makes cases like this (I'm assuming it's A1 genuine) a nonsense and it would be FAR more sensible to have a level (like acohol in driving) to say this amount makes absolutely no difference but above this amount and it's illegal (and I think they could do that, even given how many substances there are) 

And, yes, I completely agree with your second para - the justice system is made to look utterly one-sided (namely to those with money and influence) 



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Coup Droit wrote:
christ wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

From what I read, the amount of the drug in his system was miniscule, though - it wouldn't have had any performance enhancing abilties


 If it wouldn't have helped, why is it illegal? (Seriously - I thought the whole point of this was to root out cheats, not "non-cheats-that-may-have-been-exposed")

What Mr Trump (and Mr Simpson before him - remember that?) has effectively demonstrated is that there is no offence - and no evidence - that cannot be overcome by a sufficiently talented and sufficiently high-paid legal team.


 Because, as I understand it, at the moment it's an 'all-or-nothing' offence - i.e. the merest trace of the illegal substance is illegal 

Which in some ways makes sense - after all, there are a lot of forbidden products and otherwise you'd have to specfiy the cut-off point for each product - easier just to say a blanket no

But, on the other hand, it makes cases like this (I'm assuming it's A1 genuine) a nonsense and it would be FAR more sensible to have a level (like acohol in driving) to say this amount makes absolutely no difference but above this amount and it's illegal (and I think they could do that, even given how many substances there are) 

And, yes, I completely agree with your second para - the justice system is made to look utterly one-sided (namely to those with money and influence) 


 This doesn't work in doping because PEDs are designed to have a long lasting affect even once there is no actual drug in the blood/urine.  A trace of the drug could be there legitimately as Sinner claims or it could be that the test was carried out just before the body cleared it from it's system completely and that actually a dose was taken a week earlier and the residual was picked up in the test.

I'd like to think that all the evidence they had for Sinner showed that his story was compatible with the results, particularly as he was tested atleast twice.  



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GAMEOVER wrote:

This is not a current case but  a ban from 2 years ago not mentioned at the time. The player Ashley Kratzer was the US national girls champion of 2017. She was a given a wild card for the 2017 US Open  where she lost 6-1 6-1 to Tatjana Maria. That was her only Grand Slam singles appearance(very fleeting) and the rest of her career was spent entirely on the ITF  circuit from 2016 to 2020. Her highest singles ranking was 200.  She was charged with anti doping violations on 18th   March 2020 having tested positive in   a tournament  she was playing in   on 27th January. She finished up with a 4 year ban from 28th March 2020 to 27th March 2024. 


 This was a case where the player served the full suspension of 4 years. Her last tournament as mentioned above was where she tested positive started on 27th January 2020 and her comeback tournament started 15th July 2024.  



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