Doping Again !

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Doping Again !

emmsie69 · ATP level

This was 4 years ago. I'm sure most on here have read it but even more relevant now eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/wimb/2018/07/01/roger-federer-explains-inconsistency-drug-testing/749924002/

GAMEOVER · Pro player

A decision has been in the case of Valeria Bhunu, Zimbabwe's only ranked female singles tennis player. She has been banned until 28th December 2024 . This relates to failing a drugs test in South Africa on 29th September 2021. The drug in question was the same as the one Dayana Yastremska tested positive for back at the end of 2020.

telstar · Strong Club Player

GAMEOVER wrote:
A decision has been in the case of Valeria Bhunu, Zimbabwe's only ranked female singles tennis player. She has been banned until 28th December 2024 . This relates to failing a drugs test in South Africa on 29th September 2021. The drug in question was the same as the one Dayana Yastremska tested positive for back at the end of 2020.

WOW! Another huge name caught! How about some of the obvious cheats at the top of the men's game. Ah..but that would be bad publicity wouldn't it?

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

telstar wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
A decision has been in the case of Valeria Bhunu, Zimbabwe's only ranked female singles tennis player. She has been banned until 28th December 2024 . This relates to failing a drugs test in South Africa on 29th September 2021. The drug in question was the same as the one Dayana Yastremska tested positive for back at the end of 2020.
WOW! Another huge name caught! How about some of the obvious cheats at the top of the men's game. Ah..but that would be bad publicity wouldn't it?

Serious question- who are the obvious cheats youre thinking about ?

GAMEOVER · Pro player

This is a play on names but the appropriately named Miss Demina of Russia was given an ADRV ban of 3 years in April 2022. Looking at the names of players who are either suspended or banned for doping violations with the odd exception most are names one has never heard of. Most don't seem likely to get anywhere near the top 100.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
This is a play on names but the appropriately named Miss Demina of Russia was given an ADRV ban of 3 years in April 2022. Looking at the names of players who are either suspended or banned for doping violations with the odd exception most are names one has never heard of. Most don't seem likely to get anywhere near the top 100.

Agreed and I think Telstars point was just that, there are bigger fish he/she feels are doping but not getting caught. Im open minded on that but other than rumours that generally circle, Id be interested to here Telstars thoughts on who and what the evidence might be?

not to catch them out, Im genuinely open minded to here what might be out there. I suspect there is nothing beyond social media chat but Id like to hear more!

GAMEOVER · Pro player

JonH comes home wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
This is a play on names but the appropriately named Miss Demina of Russia was given an ADRV ban of 3 years in April 2022. Looking at the names of players who are either suspended or banned for doping violations with the odd exception most are names one has never heard of. Most don't seem likely to get anywhere near the top 100.
Agreed and I think Telstars point was just that, there are bigger fish he/she feels are doping but not getting caught. Im open minded on that but other than rumours that generally circle, Id be interested to here Telstars thoughts on who and what the evidence might be?

not to catch them out, Im genuinely open minded to here what might be out there. I suspect there is nothing beyond social media chat but Id like to hear more!

People need to be careful about who they are accusing of doping. You only have to look at the case of when the Yastremska family successfully sued the Daily Telegraph to know that. Simon Briggs was the journalist involved. I agree about bigger names and not just in tennis. Look at athletics for a start.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

This is The Express (!!!) but it popped up on my feed - Andrej Martin has apparently been suspended:

www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1649860/Tennis-news-Andrej-Martin-banned-doping-test-positive-Novak-Djokovic

GAMEOVER · Pro player

Tara Moore has eventually appeared on the ITIA sanction list. The date of sanction was 27th May with the suspension issued 8th June. There is a player on the list called Elsa Wan. It's more a case of Elsa Lost. The sanction list could be a topic on Pointless. In order to win the prize money the contestants would have to name somebody on the list. Bar a couple of people on the list you would be hard pressed to name anybody. They are just people who one has never heard of.

telstar · Strong Club Player

GAMEOVER wrote:
Tara Moore has eventually appeared on the ITIA sanction list. The date of sanction was 27th May with the suspension issued 8th June. There is a player on the list called Elsa Wan. It's more a case of Elsa Lost. The sanction list could be a topic on Pointless. In order to win the prize money the contestants would have to name somebody on the list. Bar a couple of people on the list you would be hard pressed to name anybody. They are just people who one has never heard of.

It seems highly unlikely that the only players who are doping are very unsuccessful at tennis. Far more likely is that either better players are much better at concealing their doping or that there is no will to catch better players. Incidentally excessive acne is apparently often a side effect of steroids!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

telstar wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Tara Moore has eventually appeared on the ITIA sanction list. The date of sanction was 27th May with the suspension issued 8th June. There is a player on the list called Elsa Wan. It's more a case of Elsa Lost. The sanction list could be a topic on Pointless. In order to win the prize money the contestants would have to name somebody on the list. Bar a couple of people on the list you would be hard pressed to name anybody. They are just people who one has never heard of.
It seems highly unlikely that the only players who are doping are very unsuccessful at tennis. Far more likely is that either better players are much better at concealing their doping or that there is no will to catch better players. Incidentally excessive acne is apparently often a side effect of steroids!

are there any top players that applies to?

GAMEOVER · Pro player

JonH comes home wrote:
telstar wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Tara Moore has eventually appeared on the ITIA sanction list. The date of sanction was 27th May with the suspension issued 8th June. There is a player on the list called Elsa Wan. It's more a case of Elsa Lost. The sanction list could be a topic on Pointless. In order to win the prize money the contestants would have to name somebody on the list. Bar a couple of people on the list you would be hard pressed to name anybody. They are just people who one has never heard of.
It seems highly unlikely that the only players who are doping are very unsuccessful at tennis. Far more likely is that either better players are much better at concealing their doping or that there is no will to catch better players. Incidentally excessive acne is apparently often a side effect of steroids!
are there any top players that applies to?

The answer to that is definitely no on the current list. Certainly the highest ranked player to be sanctioned in 2021 or 2022 was Dayana Yastremska. At the end of it all that she returned to tennis after 6 months. Additionally the Yastremska family received damages in 2022 from a story the Telegraph ran online during her suspension. The paper had to apologise for the distress and damage to their reputations. Reputation wise it was probably the worst player the paper had to apologise to. It was about par for the course when she retired against Emma within 2 points of losing on Monday.

Added just commenting on "top players " on the list not acne!

-- Edited by GAMEOVER on Friday 16th of September 2022 09:46:58 PM

telstar · Strong Club Player

JonH comes home wrote:
telstar wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Tara Moore has eventually appeared on the ITIA sanction list. The date of sanction was 27th May with the suspension issued 8th June. There is a player on the list called Elsa Wan. It's more a case of Elsa Lost. The sanction list could be a topic on Pointless. In order to win the prize money the contestants would have to name somebody on the list. Bar a couple of people on the list you would be hard pressed to name anybody. They are just people who one has never heard of.
It seems highly unlikely that the only players who are doping are very unsuccessful at tennis. Far more likely is that either better players are much better at concealing their doping or that there is no will to catch better players. Incidentally excessive acne is apparently often a side effect of steroids!
are there any top players that applies to?

Well there is one player now at the pinnacle of the game who is distinctly spotty....

GAMEOVER · Pro player

telstar wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
telstar wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Tara Moore has eventually appeared on the ITIA sanction list. The date of sanction was 27th May with the suspension issued 8th June. There is a player on the list called Elsa Wan. It's more a case of Elsa Lost. The sanction list could be a topic on Pointless. In order to win the prize money the contestants would have to name somebody on the list. Bar a couple of people on the list you would be hard pressed to name anybody. They are just people who one has never heard of.
It seems highly unlikely that the only players who are doping are very unsuccessful at tennis. Far more likely is that either better players are much better at concealing their doping or that there is no will to catch better players. Incidentally excessive acne is apparently often a side effect of steroids!
are there any top players that applies to?
Well there is one player now at the pinnacle of the game who is distinctly spotty....

Talking about acne and steroids there was the world champion East German sprinter Katrin Krabbe of the early nineties who had bad acne. Then in 1992 along with 2 of her team mates she tested positive for an illegal stimulant.