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Doping Again !


Has had no income ? Bet she's still earned more during her ban than that he has in his career. And never mind the $38m prizemoney already won.

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I begin to wonder if the WTA are actually deliberately coming out with some of this stuff to hype the controversy and thus they think general interest in women's pro tennis.

Or are they really simply living in another world ??

Heralding her return for commercial reasons for the tournament(s) may rather stink, but is indeed commercially understandable, but they just seem to be going further ...

Waiting to see how they bill a Sharapova vs Wozniacki match.



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Steve Simon is a very successful man. He's a commercial man first and foremost though, money first and above all else. He's probably quite welcoming the 'controversy', you can market it.
I like to think if Stacey Allaster were still WTA CEO, she might (might) have been a bit less supine and craven about things, but probably not.
I don't realistically expect them to come out and condemn Sharapova, or even to take a hard line with her. The very least they could do though is just be neutral.
Three more pieces (that I have counted) this week on the WTA website, with references to Sharapova's products or sponsorships - two big plugs for her Nike clothing lines, and refering to the player as 'returning soon', from a 'period away from the game'. No mention of that inconvenient triviality: the ban.

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The WTA really is a joke over this issue. It says that she has lost her ranking, but with unlimited WCs, she just becomes a dangerous floater in the tournaments of her choice. let alone taking away significant prize money away from people who need it alot more than she does.. I am pretty disgusted with their attitude. OK, she's done her time, but don't give her free passes to get back. Let her work her way up.

I only hope that she doesn't get any WCs for GSs. I will be particularly ashamed of Wimbledon if they give her one.

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Bob in Spain wrote:

Well this takes the biscuit from Steve Simon, the WTA chief, re possible Wimbledon Wildcard for Sharapova

"Maria has served a 15 month suspension, has had no income, has lost all of her ranking as well as her Australian Open winnings from 2016 - so she's served a significant penalty for her actions."

Do these people actually live in the real world ?

Full article from BBC website here.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/39288838

My advice to the WTA would be, when you are in a hole, STOP DIGGING.

 


Latest on the vote on the BBC link :

Should Maria Sharapova be granted a wildcard for Wimbledon if she fails to qualify?

Yes - 31%, No - 69%

And I somehow doubt that that is any reflection of many people's general agreement with my ( and very occasional others' ) wider views on Slam MD WCs !!!



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indiana wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:

Well this takes the biscuit from Steve Simon, the WTA chief, re possible Wimbledon Wildcard for Sharapova

"Maria has served a 15 month suspension, has had no income, has lost all of her ranking as well as her Australian Open winnings from 2016 - so she's served a significant penalty for her actions."

Do these people actually live in the real world ?

Full article from BBC website here.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/39288838

My advice to the WTA would be, when you are in a hole, STOP DIGGING.

 


Latest on the vote on the BBC link :

Should Maria Sharapova be granted a wildcard for Wimbledon if she fails to qualify?

Yes - 31%, No - 69%

And I somehow doubt that that is any reflection of many people's general agreement with my ( and very occasional others' ) wider views on Slam MD WCs !!!


And I still agree with your wider views Indy on MDWC's - saw all of SuperBowl as well (going back to Sun 5th Feb) ! In a case like this I don't think Wimbledon would dare give a wildcard to the main draw. Or would they? - I agree that she shouldn't - absolutely not - the AELTC would get so much stick.

I do wonder if the results of that survey/poll would be different if Sharapova was British or the French might view her differently if she was French. You would hope not but I do wonder.



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I expect the French Open to award Sharapova a MD WC and Wimbledon to follow suit if she still requires one.

I would love to be wrong.



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Like others have probably alluded I think what really grates is the attitude/arrogance of Sharapova and her team. Almost if she is expecting wildcards and holding meeting with tournament organisers to try and get preferential treatment and completely oblivious to what anyone else might think - that's how it has come across to me anyway. I think she would garner a lot more respect generally if she declined any wild cards and be prepared to work her way back up. Unfortunately, in the real world, that's unlikely.

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Like others have probably alluded I think what really grates is the attitude/arrogance of Sharapova and her team. Almost if she is expecting wildcards and holding meeting with tournament organisers to try and get preferential treatment and completely oblivious to what anyone else might think - that's how it has come across to me anyway. I think she would garner a lot more respect generally if she declined any wild cards and be prepared to work her way back up. Unfortunately, in the real world, that's unlikely.


 

Actually, I'm the other way round. I don't hold it against Maria + team in the slightest for trying to get/getting wildcards. (I hold it against them for taking the substance and claiming it was for health reasons when it wasn't - in my view). But no problem with them asking for wildcards.

My gripe is 100% with the authorities.

If they cannot see the problem with giving wildcards (a discretionary favour) to players who have cheated then there is no hope.

I'm all for people serving their time and then being 'free' from the guilt. And, as such, Maria shouldn't be penalised any longer. But she shouldn't get preferential treatment, a slap on the back, a wildcard that sends the clear message that, of all the people we could choose, we chose you because we want you.

And the money side is no excuse.

The authorities and sponsors and tournaments take the full blame - they should be ashamed.



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The "has had no income" line also struck me. It is absurd and simply makes the WTA look either extremely out of touch or mildly duplicitous.

I'm in favour of WCs generally within reason - but very much with Caroline Wozniacki and Andy Murray on the principles involved when there has been a ban.

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I'm not sure CD that in Maria's case the WCs are a discretionary favour.  The WTA has some weird rules about WCs.  Tournament organisers have to submit their list of WCs in advance to the WTA (mainly to make sure no-one is exceeding their allocation or breaking junior entry rules) but I think if a former grand slam champ or world #1 or a current top 10 player wants a WC, they have to be granted one ahead of other choices.  I haven't combed through their rule book but I can't imagine it says 'unless returning from a doping offence'.   

Interestingly, her agent Max E has stated that every single tournament director, "yes every single one", has contacted him about offering her a WC.  Following this assertion the LTA have stated that they have been in contact with no players or representatives regarding WCs for the grass tournaments held in the UK and that his statement as regards tournaments in this country is incorrect.

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/rules2017.pdf

Edit: link to the rulebook for those with time on their hands!!



-- Edited by The Optimist on Friday 17th of March 2017 08:30:08 AM

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Distasteful business. I'm not seeing the WTA tour coming out of this with much credit. I had enjoyed going to one or two WTA tournaments during the summer but right now this makes me feel less inclined to attend. My affection for the WTA and its heirarchy is falling amid this affair.

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The WTA panto team seemed to have to a WWE type of approach to running the game.,Hopefully fans will show their feelings at tournaments in a similar way generating an atmosphere that favours clean opponents. Maria becoming the equivalent of the "Undertaker" bad very bad man in the eyes of 10 year olds. It will be interesting to see.

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NCR go all out on the subject, with Ben Rothenberg, Jon Wertheim (Sports Illustrated), Carole Bouchard (French tennis), and the BBC's Russell Fuller all contributing.
They also talk to the tournament director of Stuttgart about the WC and shenanigans.
http://nochallengesremaining.podbean.com/e/episode-182a-maria-sharapova-the-ice-woman-cometh/



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Having listened to the show properly now, heres what I heard (other interpretations are welcome):

  • The whole tone of this episode is set by Mr. Rothenberg's sleight in the preamble: it's not a, 'ban situation she's had'; it is a ban.
  • Then Hr. Günthardt conflates performance and competition related reasons for Wednesday play requests (Fed Cup) with Sharapova's situation which is based on a ban. This player is not tired from play, she is ineligible. Further, show that you always accomodated those requests from Fed Cup players, and that you did so up to four months before the match date. He suggests repeatedly that the arrangements at Stuttgart this year in regards of Sharapova are normal, and with long precedent on the WTA, almost prosaic.

 

  • Then the round table of Mr. Rothenberg, Mr. Wertheim & Mlle Bouchard, in which we begin as Mr. Wertheim mitigates the colusion about the farce of Sharapova's arrangements with Mr. Eisenbud regarding her previous attempts to adhere to the drug testing regime and ensuring that all responsibility was upheld.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg whitewashes the Eisenbud story as irrelevant.
  • Then the panel equates the stake, the amount to lose, for Sharapova and Lepchenko, and the behaviours of each as though they were somehow equivalent and required the same type of response; and given that Lepchenko behaved in a less prominent way, that Sharapova should be given special dispensation and allowances for being more public in her damage limitation exercises.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg, constructs some quasi-conspiracy against Sharapova because she was a 'big star', without any substantive proof.
  • Then Mlle. Bouchard & Mr. Rothenberg try to minimise the drug offence itself 'it's not exactly EPO'. Oh! It's performance enhancing, but, you know, not the very worst one. It's just the one they though they could get away with. The one that would nevertheless afford them an advantage, and, they thought go undetected. But, not the worst one, not the one that would offer the greatest advantage, and therefore, what you reward the player for not cheating as much as they possibly could have.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg says the FFT shouldn't give young French players a Roland Garros WC anyway because, apparently, they're awful. Or, they're Schiavone, or any other reason that legal players shouldn't be considered in order to give Sharapova a shot, though she is the architect of her own downfall. Henin, and Clijsters were not banned athletes, they had not brought the game in to disrepute.
  • Then they suggest that Sharapova's Russian nationality is mitigation, though there is plentiful evidence of systematic state sponsored cheating in many sports in that nation, which sort of makes additional suspicion in that context mandatory. Or, at the very least, not the basis for any sort of leniency. They also fail to prove that there was any agenda in this area by the ITF, WADA, CAS or anyone ainvolved, anyway.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg allows his personal experience to overpower his decision making process by fawning over how this big star has always treated him well, and so must be OK. That is, sir, not objective journalism. It is the antihesis of it.
  • Then the panel suggests that all players actually owe Sharapova quite a lot, and should do whatever is required to facilitate her return. This echoes the sentiments of the now deposed Indian Wells chief, that suggested women should get down on their knees to thank Federer & Nadal, and I'm astonished to hear this additional knife twisted in to the backs of the blameless unbanned players of the tour.
  • Then the panel question the science on Meldonium, as though that is relevant. If the drug is banned, you don't take it. You pro-actively check every advisory, and act professionally and accordingly. Also, quite a lot of drugs do not have the exact supposed effects that the cheats think that they do. But the cheats take them anyway becasue they believe that they DO give those benefits. Another whitewash from the entire panel.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg orchestrates an agenda against a single player (Konta) on what he heard happened; a rumour about something that might have been said; directing unfair scrutiny and attention to a blameless party!

 

  • Then the discussion with Mr. Fuller, wherein Mr. Rothenberg restates again all of his frameworks of mitigation that excuse Sharapova from ever having to have acted like a professional person.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg suggests that a WC to Roland Garros qualifying would somehow be an act of contrition from Sharapova. A WC to qualifying at one of the four biggest events in the year, to an athlete returning from a ban, is somehow a punishment. And, further, he suggests that that fabulous prize, if accepted ahould act as credit for Sharapova, to have the humility to accept it, as opposed to the inevitable MD WC. That she should exclusively receive credit and praise for that action if it came to pass, though she was deserving odf neither WC.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg attempts to smear the whole of British sport, and British attitudes in general - if, that is, they find against Sharapova.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg suggests that if Sharapova has to play Wimbledon qualifying, she should be given special treatment; like on Court 17 at Wimbledon, rather than Roehampton; that she is too big for the normal treatment.
  • Then Mr. Rothenberg floats scenarios why Wimbledon should give a WC, and generally impugns their entire operation in order to advance that agenda.
  • Then, when Mr. Fuller moderately states that Sharapova has 'fallen afoul of the doping regulations', Mr. Rothenberg cannot even let that very mild factual statement go unchallenged, interjecting immediately, "accidently... accidently!"

 

  • Then Mr. Rothenberg provocatively plays out with a song, of which the premise is one of a woman apologising to her pretty, more popular rival whom she had previously hated!


Epilogue
Look, I defend the NYT, pretty much daily at this point in time, from all those that would assail it.
Were Mr. Rothenberg's entire agenda in all of these episodes, and it's heavily skewed position, if reflected at large by the journalists of his paper on other subjects, then it would make that task of defending the NYT nigh impossible to maintain in good conscience.
Furthermore, if Ms. Nguyen cannot offer opinion on these matters, or anything of controversial nature about WTA players or tournaments, becasue of her ofiicial position, then one has to question whether she should or can continue to appear at all.



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